X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:15:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [63.230.26.161] (HELO exchange.arilabs.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6577629 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:48:13 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.230.26.161; envelope-from=kevin@arilabs.net Received: from exchange.arilabs.net ([10.100.100.1]) by exchange.arilabs.net ([10.100.100.1]) with mapi; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:47:38 -0700 From: Kevin Stallard X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:47:37 -0700 Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Legacy Canopy Problem Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Legacy Canopy Problem Thread-Index: Ac7aSC1esFu1AiPoRaSqLcbMoD7tggAA+CwA X-Original-Message-ID: <779FE3D761D7B741813E300858A248CFF3BD5570D4@exchange.arilabs.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Paul, I agree that it isn't appropriate to show disrespect for those who have bee= n killed in tragic accidents. I also recognize that flying airplanes that = we build is an inherently risky activity. No one wants to loose friends, b= ut we loose them. My own mother died in a automobile accident when I was y= oung. It happens, and yes we want to try to avoid them and learn from them= , but they still happen. I don't think Mike intended any disrespect but (perhaps untactfully) was tr= ying to make a point. I think what he was trying to say is that we need to= be careful and be thinking about what we are doing, or it may kill us. I = took it in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way in that he is reminding me to care= fully evaluate my decisions so I don't do something that would hurt me or s= omeone else. =20 Peter Zaccagnino said it best when he said "I have to remember that these t= hings are trying to kill me." =20 When we try to avoid negative aspects of design it is too easy to come up w= ith dumb solutions like plastic gas cans with those impossible to open spou= ts. I have spilled more gasoline trying to use those dang things than wi= th the old metal flexing open spouts. My point is that it can be easy to o= ver design something.=20 On the pilot side of a Cessna 172 Hawker XP (perhaps on others as well) the= re is this really dumb seat latch. You have to not only hold up the level = than allows the seat to slide, but you also have to reach behind you and us= e your thumb to open a secondary latch. It appears this was added perhaps = after a seat unintentionally slid back and was a factor in an accident. It= smells like a lawyer designed it. Can you imagine being in an accident and having to work both latches to get= out of the airplane? This is what happens when we try to take the risk o= ut of everything and place walls of protection around us. Pretty soon they= have either hurt us or make it so we can't do what we originally intended. I really like the current canopy design. It opens easily. I really like t= his feature, I feel safer because of it. =20 Thanks Kevin ________________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Paul Miller= [pjdmiller@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:57 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Canopy Problem Do you mean that the people who have had a canopy open are somehow inferior= and wlll be naturally removed because they aren't cut out to be pilots? I= s that the meaning of your message? Or is that a canopy that can be opened= is a way of selecting better pilots in this world. Please explain your D= arwin comment to us. I really want to know how that works into the problem= here. Paul Legacy PS: for the dolts who can't figure it out, there's another mode of canopy o= pening that won't be solved with a checklist on the ground. Think outside= the cabin should be the first rule on this subject. On 2013-11-05, at 10:52 AM, Mike Larkin > wrote: Well said Kevin.... Mike Remember, not everyone was meant to fly.... Darwin On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Kevin Stallard > wrote: Pre-takeoff checklist Trim, fuel selector, mixture, prop, push up (hard) on the canopy. (five pl= us one) This isn't a big deal to me. I don't think drama surrounding the canopy i= s needed or deserved. It has been shown that while tricky, the airplane is controllable if you ha= ppen to leave the canopy open. Just don't stop flying the airplane. Bette= r yet, don't leave it unlocked. Kevin N969RJ (flying !!) -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- Mike Larkin LarkinAviationConsulting LegacyL2K@gmail.com 602-770-6054