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You guys are arguing apples and oranges. The ipad is a great paper chart/ a=
pproach plate replacement and it can do moving map as well (er umm most of =
the time) BUT it is not an EFIS. The PFD/ MFD boxes display more than the i=
pad ever will. Engine data, air data, and reliable flight data propapbly ne=
ver will be displayed on the ipad. I can shoot an approach safely with an E=
FIS system. I cannot with just an ipad. If the ipad craps out-- so what. If=
 the EFIS craps ---that's a different story. So, what is better-- an apple =
or an orange. ;)

Just saying.....

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Miller <pjdmiller@gmail.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2013 12:07 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: iPad overheated & quit!


you usually grace us with interesting stats and data we can chew on.  unfor=
tunately,  this post adds little meat to either argument and zero backup to=
 the  "spend more equals better reliability and function" nonsense we get f=
rom the certified box makers.  =20


If its good enough for American Airlines then I'm probably ok too.   Why do=
n't you send your estimate of reliability to AA for a comment?  Unless you =
know more than the airline does...


Paul

On 2013-09-07, at 7:56 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:



Panel Avionics - produced only in the thousands, incredible costs associate=
d with R&D and certification, built to operate in a hostile environment, er=
ror rate =3D errors / (flight hours X thousands)
=20
Consumer electronics - produced in the millions with reasonable R&D costs a=
nd much simpler certification, built to be operated by children and old peo=
ple, error rate =3D errors / (tons of operating hours X millions)
=20
Yep, looks comparable to me.
=20
Grayhawk
=20
PS getting two may not be enough...........





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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'arial'>
<div><font style=3D"background-color: transparent;" face=3D"Arial, Helvetic=
a, sans-serif">You guys are arguing apples and oranges. The ipad is a great=
 paper chart/ approach plate replacement and it can do moving map as well (=
er umm most of the time) BUT it is not an EFIS. The PFD/ MFD boxes display =
more than the ipad ever will. Engine data, air data, and reliable flight da=
ta propapbly never will be displayed on the ipad. I can shoot an approach s=
afely with an EFIS system. I cannot with just an ipad. If the ipad craps ou=
t-- so what. If the EFIS craps ---that's a different story. So, what is bet=
ter-- an apple or an orange. ;)</font></div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Just saying.....</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Jeff</div>

<div></div>

<div></div>

<div style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"=
>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Paul Miller &lt;pjdmiller@gmail.com&gt;<br>
To: lml &lt;lml@lancaironline.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2013 12:07 pm<br>
Subject: [LML] Re: iPad overheated &amp; quit!<br>
<br>




<div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_1_13fe5309-bce5-40d6-bb6c-1199e42b7816">

<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"aolReplacedBody">you usually grace us =
with interesting stats and data we can chew on. &nbsp;unfortunately, &nbsp;=
this post adds little meat to either argument and zero backup to the &nbsp;=
"spend more equals better reliability and function" nonsense we get from th=
e certified box makers. &nbsp;&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>

<div>If its good enough for American Airlines then I'm probably ok too. &nb=
sp; Why don't you send your estimate of reliability to AA for a comment? &n=
bsp;Unless you know more than the airline does...</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Paul<br>

<div>
<div>On 2013-09-07, at 7:56 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:Sky2high@aol.com">Sky2hig=
h@aol.com</a> wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">




<div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"Arial">

<div>Panel Avionics - produced only&nbsp;in the thousands, incredible costs=
=20
associated with R&amp;D and certification, built to operate in a hostile=20
environment, error rate =3D errors / (flight hours X thousands)</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Consumer electronics - produced in the millions with reasonable R&amp;=
D=20
costs&nbsp;and much simpler certification, built to be operated by children=
 and=20
old people, error rate =3D errors / (tons of operating hours X millions)</d=
iv>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Yep, looks comparable to me.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Grayhawk</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>PS getting two may not be enough...........</div>

</font></div>
</blockquote></div>
<br>
</div>
</div>

</div>




</div>
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