X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6418086 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:31:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.194; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4E319700AB804 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.81.34.22] (mobile-198-228-214-241.mycingular.net [198.228.214.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 91345E0000BE; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:30:31 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3800D31C-BABD-40E3-806A-C22D73177691 X-Original-Message-Id: <1C467C85-96C4-45C5-9AC1-2F40E307F4C3@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? X-Original-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:30:26 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3386520bbeb75dfc X-AOL-IP: 198.228.214.241 --Apple-Mail-3800D31C-BABD-40E3-806A-C22D73177691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed! AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Wolfgang" wrote: > When I fly the LS-3, I can become a brick any time I want (spoilers), or a= nything in between. > It wouldn't hurt for all pilots to have 10-20 hours in gliders. > The point is piloting should be second nature. > If you have to stop and think about it, you're too slow and likely behind t= he airplane. > . . . and if you're behind the airplane, you're an accident looking for a p= lace to happen. > =20 > Wolfgang > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Harrelson > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? >=20 > Hi Bill, > =20 > When I introduce a pilot to the Lancair 320/360, I explain that they ne= ed to check out in two completely different airplanes...dirty and clean. I h= ave measured the glide ratio of our 320 with power off, clean and the prop f= ull aft at better than 20:1. That=E2=80=99s hardly a brick, more like a Schw= eizer 2-33 glider. At the other end of the spectrum is the same plane dirty.= Now you have the proverbial brick. > =20 > I regularly practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. Get t= raining from a LOBO or HPAT instructor and you=E2=80=99ll gain a great deal o= f confidence in handling these planes power off. It CAN be done safely and c= onsistently. One skill that you=E2=80=99ll need to acquire is knowing when t= o convert from glider to brick. > =20 > Bill Harrelson > N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs > N6ZQ IV 350 hrs > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Bill Bradburry > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:25 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? > =20 > That seems a scenario where you would be in better shape with the flaps up= . You very well might make the runway. With flaps down, you likely would n= ot and it would be very dangerous to try and retract them. With the high wi= ng loading that all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks with no power.= I think almost nobody makes the approach to land with no power. > Remember way back in primary training when the instructor had you remove p= ower abeam the numbers and make the landing without having to add power? Do= es anyone practice that maneuver with their Lancair? > =20 > Bill B --Apple-Mail-3800D31C-BABD-40E3-806A-C22D73177691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Wolfgang" <Wolfgang@MiCom.net> wrote:

When I fly the LS-3, I can become a bri= ck any time=20 I want (spoilers), or anything in between.
It wouldn't hurt for all pilots to have=  10-20=20 hours in gliders.
The point is piloting should be second=20= nature.
If you have to stop=20 and think about it, you're too slow and likely behind the airplane.
. . . and if you're behind the airplane= , you're an=20 accident looking for a place to happen.
 
Wolfgang
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Harrel= son=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:3= 7=20 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on=20 take-off?

Hi Bill,
 
When I introduce a pilot to the Lancair=20= 320/360, I explain that they need to check out in two completely different= =20 airplanes...dirty and clean. I have measured the glide ratio of our 320 wi= th=20 power off, clean and the prop full aft at better than 20:1. That=E2=80=99s= hardly a=20 brick, more like a Schweizer 2= -33 glider.=20 At the other end of the spectrum is the same plane dirty. Now you have the= =20 proverbial brick.
 
I=20 regularly practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. Get=20= training from a LOBO or HPAT instructor and you=E2=80=99ll gain a great de= al of=20 confidence in handling these planes power off. It CAN be done safely and=20= consistently.  One skill that you=E2=80=99ll need to acquire is knowi= ng when to=20 convert from glider to brick.
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
N6ZQ  IV  350 hrs
 
 
 
 
=
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:25 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?
 

That seems a sc= enario=20 where you would be in better shape with the flaps up.  You very well=20= might make the runway.  With flaps down, you likely would not and it=20= would be very dangerous to try and retract them.  With the high wing=20= loading that all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks with no=20 power.  I think almost nobody makes the approach to land with no=20 power.

Remember way ba= ck in=20 primary training when the instructor had you remove power abeam the number= s=20 and make the landing without having to add power?  Does anyone practi= ce=20 that maneuver with their Lancair?

 

Bill=20 B

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