X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:12:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.sdc.com ([161.58.179.10] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6392842 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:56:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=161.58.179.10; envelope-from=Ronald@sdc.com Received: from [192.168.169.3] [97.68.193.49] by mail.sdc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id 855c000161c67e87; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:48:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Prop for sale....and no nothing to do with the previous case.. References: From: Ronald STEVENS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23AA1C09-1CD9-4B5E-A435-B66C7CF4D7F6 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:55:06 -0400 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-23AA1C09-1CD9-4B5E-A435-B66C7CF4D7F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Bill The prop was new installed on my lancair 4p, has about 450hours, is located i= n spruce creek, florida (7fl6) Ronald Stevens 786-338 1678 On Jul 26, 2013, at 10:39 PM, "William A. Hogarty" w= rote: > Ron: > =20 > Im looking for a prop. What plane was the prop installed on? Did you own= the prop since it was new. Have maint records? Where located? =20 > =20 > Thanks, bill Hogarty >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Ronald Stevens wrote: >> Hello guys >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> I do have the full feathering Hartzell (HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF) for sale a= s I just had the 4 bladed MT prop installed. So far this prop does have less= vibration and is smoother, but=E2=80=A6.well that is it. I do not have the r= eversed governor installed yet so I will not do the anticipated PIREP yet. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Anyway, my prop has less than 450hours, is clean, no nicks, simple wear a= nd tear, but all in 100% condition, and just had the annual done and was che= cked as well. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Make me a good offer I cannot refuse J >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Thanks =E2=80=93 Ronald >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Lancair n45HL, IVp, >250hours and counting=E2=80=A6. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Co= lyn Case >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:17 PM >> To: Lancair Mailing List >> Subject: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Bob, there's a blade part and a hub part. >>=20 >> e.g. my full feathering is a=20 >>=20 >> HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF which was the latest and greatest in 2004. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> (It also has a TKS slinger ring and boots on it)=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Jul 22, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Bob Rickard wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Prop is HC-H3YF-1RF with TSIO-550E on L-IVP >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Bob >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Colyn Case wrote:= >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Bob , Can you please specify the model number of the blades and hub? M= ore than one exist which match "78 inch Hartzell" >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Colyn >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Robert R Pastusek wrot= e: >>=20 >> Gentlemen, >> =20 >> This is an alert for a potentially serious problem with the Continental I= O/TSIO-550 engine/Hartzell 78=E2=80=9D Scimitar propeller combination common= ly used on Lancair aircraft. Please appreciate that this is from a very smal= l data sample, and analysis is on-going, but it=E2=80=99s important enough t= o share what we now know.=20 >> =20 >> Lancair (N619SJ) owner Bob Rickard called last week to advise that he=E2=80= =99d discovered a major crack in his crankshaft at the propeller flange and w= anted to alert other owners flying the above engine/prop combination of his p= roblem.=20 >> =20 >> Bob has been chasing a random vibration in his airframe since he bought t= he aircraft three years/approximately 500 hours ago. The =E2=80=9Cstandard s= uspects=E2=80=9D of prop balance/run-out, engine mount/isolators, engine con= tact with the cowling, etc. had been systematically ruled out over time. In f= rustration, and unwilling to just ignore it, Bob ordered a new MT 4-blade to= replace the Hartzell, remaining very uncomfortable with the vibration and u= nable to think of any other possible fixes. Part of Bob=E2=80=99s discomfort= was based on the fact that he=E2=80=99d talked extensively to Ed Smith who h= ad similar vibration issues with the same engine/propeller combination. (Ed=E2= =80=99s N9JE experienced an in-flight crankshaft failure/departure of the pr= op in 2010; Ed successfully dead-sticked the airplane onto a beach.) >> =20 >> Bob=E2=80=99s recent discovery of the cracked crankshaft was made when th= e Hartzell was removed for replacement with a new MT prop. At the time of re= moval/discovery, the engine had just more than 100 flight hours since major o= verhaul. The crankshaft had been checked for cracks at overhaul, and the act= ual eddy current test results were still available showing no cracks or irre= gularities at that time. Bob believes that the crack developed within the la= st 100 flight hours as a result of long-term exposure to harmonic vibration,= and that this vibration could be a result of an incompatibility between his= big-bore Continental and this specific Hartzell prop. He notes that althoug= h this is an =E2=80=9CFAA approved=E2=80=9D engine/propeller combination, he= has talked to other airplane owners flying this combination who have/are ex= periencing similar vibration issues.=20 >> =20 >> We understand that Continental and the FAA have been notified of this pro= blem, but we have no additional information at this time. LOBO expects to pu= blish a more detailed report on this in the next monthly newsletter, but bot= h Ed Smith and Bob Rickard felt this discovery was worth making immediate no= tification about. Specifically, any unusual or new engine vibration should b= e cause for immediate attention. Bob considers himself very lucky to have ca= ught the crack before in-flight failure.=20 >> =20 >> We=E2=80=99ll devote a few minutes to share what we know/answer questions= at our LOBO Safety Forum to be held at 1300 in Forum Pavilion 2, Monday, 29= August, at AirVenture. Bob Rickard won=E2=80=99t be available to discuss th= is at our safety forum, but you can email him at r.rickard@rcginc-us.com. LO= BO would also appreciate an email or call (rpastusek@htii.com 757-286-4802) i= f you are experiencing similar problems. >> =20 >> Thanks, >> Bob Pastusek >> For LOBO >> =20 >>=20 >> >>=20 >>=20 >> Bob Rickard >>=20 >> President, Rickard Consulting Group, Inc. >>=20 >> r.rickard@rcginc-us.com >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-23AA1C09-1CD9-4B5E-A435-B66C7CF4D7F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Bill

Th= e prop was new installed on my lancair 4p, has about 450hours, is located in= spruce creek, florida (7fl6)


Ronald Stevens
786-338 1678


On Jul 26, 2013, at 10:39 PM, "William A. Ho= garty" <billhogarty@gmail.com> wrote:



On Tue, J= ul 23, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Ronald Stevens <ronald@sdc.com> wrote:

Hello guys

 

I do have  the full featheri= ng Hartzell (HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF<= /span>) for sale as I ju= st had the 4 bladed MT prop installed. So far this prop does have less vibra= tion and is smoother, but=E2=80=A6.well that is it. I do not have the revers= ed governor installed yet so I will not do the anticipated PIREP yet.=

<= u> 

Anyway, my prop has less than 450hours, is clea= n, no nicks, simple wear and tear, but all in 100% condition, and just had t= he annual done and was checked as well.

<= u> 

Make me a good offer I cannot refuse J=

<= u> 

Thanks =E2=80=93 Ronald

 

Lancair n45HL, IVp, >250hours and counting=E2=80=A6.

 

From: Lancair Maili= ng List [mailto:l= ml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:17 PM
To: Lancair Mailing Lis= t
Subject: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration<= /u>

 

Bob,  there's a blade part and a hub part.

e.g. my full feathering is a 

<= div>

HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF which was the latest and gre= atest in 2004.

 

(It also has a TKS slinger ring and boots on it) 

 

=

 

On Jul 22, 201= 3, at 9:27 AM, Bob Rickard wrote:

 

Prop is HC-H3YF-1RF w= ith TSIO-550E on L-IVP

 

Bob

&nbs= p;

 

=

On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:<= u>



Bob ,   Can you please specify the mod= el number of the blades and hub?  More than one exist which match "78 i= nch Hartzell"

&nbs= p;

Colyn


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:54 PM, R= obert R Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com> wrote:

Gentlemen,
 
This is an alert for a potentially serio=
us problem with the Continental IO/TSIO-550 engine/Hartzell 78=E2=80=9D Scim=
itar propeller combination commonly used on Lancair aircraft. Please appreci=
ate that this is from a very small data sample, and analysis is on-going, bu=
t it=E2=80=99s important enough to share what we now know. =

 
Lancair (N619SJ) owner Bob Rickard called last w=
eek to advise that he=E2=80=99d discovered a major crack in his crankshaft a=
t the propeller flange and wanted to alert other owners flying the above eng=
ine/prop combination of his problem. 
 
Bob has been chasing a random vibration in his a=
irframe since he bought the aircraft three years/approximately 500 hours ago=
. The =E2=80=9Cstandard suspects=E2=80=9D of prop balance/run-out, engine mo=
unt/isolators, engine contact with the cowling, etc. had been systematically=
 ruled out over time. In frustration, and unwilling to just ignore it, Bob o=
rdered a new MT 4-blade to replace the Hartzell, remaining very uncomfortabl=
e with the vibration and unable to think of any other possible fixes. Part o=
f Bob=E2=80=99s discomfort was based on the fact that he=E2=80=99d talked ex=
tensively to Ed Smith who had similar vibration issues with the same engine/=
propeller combination. (Ed=E2=80=99s N9JE experienced an in-flight crankshaf=
t failure/departure of the prop in 2010; Ed successfully dead-sticked the ai=
rplane onto a beach.)
 
Bob=E2=80=99s recent discovery of the cracked c=
rankshaft was made when the Hartzell was removed for replacement with a new M=
T prop. At the time of removal/discovery, the engine had just more than 100 f=
light hours since major overhaul. The crankshaft had been checked for cracks=
 at overhaul, and the actual eddy current test results were still available s=
howing no cracks or irregularities at that time. Bob believes that the crack=
 developed within the last 100 flight hours as a result of long-term exposur=
e to harmonic vibration, and that this vibration could be a result of an inc=
ompatibility between his big-bore Continental and this specific Hartzell pro=
p. He notes that although this is an =E2=80=9CFAA approved=E2=80=9D engine/p=
ropeller combination, he has talked to other airplane owners flying this com=
bination who have/are experiencing similar vibration issues. <=
u>
 
We understand that Continental and the FAA have=
 been notified of this problem, but we have no additional information at thi=
s time. LOBO expects to publish a more detailed report on this in the next m=
onthly newsletter, but both Ed Smith and Bob Rickard felt this discovery was=
 worth making immediate notification about. Specifically, any unusual or new=
 engine vibration should be cause for immediate attention. Bob considers him=
self very lucky to have caught the crack before in-flight failure. 
 
We=E2=80=99ll devote a few minutes to share wha=
t we know/answer questions at our LOBO Safety Forum to be held at 1300 in Fo=
rum Pavilion 2, Monday, 29 August, at AirVenture. Bob Rickard won=E2=80=99t b=
e available to discuss this at our safety forum, but you can email him at r.rickard@rcginc-=
us.com. LOBO would also appreciate an email or call (rpastusek@htii.com 757-286-4802) if y=
ou are experiencing similar problems.
 
Thanks,
Bob Pastusek
<= pre>For LOBO

 

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Bob Rickard

President, Rickard Con= sulting Group, Inc.




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