X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:33:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.75] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6385588 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:43:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.143.75; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BEB7B700BEF52 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mnd003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.107.9]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 860C4E000088 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:43:09 -0400 (EDT) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Second Pilot During Phase I Flight Testing In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D056933FE9CA79_E60_39BB0_webmail-d216.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37893-STANDARD Received: from 12.110.229.82 by webmail-d216.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.115) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:43:09 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8D056933FD6BF81-E60-FC7A@webmail-d216.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.110.229.82] X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:43:09 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c51efe7fd2b60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D056933FE9CA79_E60_39BB0_webmail-d216.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" George, You get it... Overseas contingency operations? Man-made disaster area? Drone intensive o= p area? Be safe! =20 Don't worry... the administration has your back... well maybe they will jus= t throw you under the bus....be sure to sign those non disclosure agreement= s before you leave. ;)=20 Jeff -----Original Message----- From: George Wehrung To: lml Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 8:58 am Subject: [LML] Re: Second Pilot During Phase I Flight Testing Bob, I am heading overseas again so no Osh Kosh this year; maybe, next year. My= initial thoughts are that the qualified pilot be one that has experience i= n experimental aircraft; preferably similar make and model. The question is= how do you define qualified? It would be nice for most to be able to util= ize a pilot from their local flying community. I would think the goal is t= o eliminate the use of a young and newly minted CFI or the person who has n= ot flown consistently over the last few years. Some qualifiers to consider= but not necessarily hard and fast requirements are below: Test Pilot Experience Experimental Build Experience Experimental Flight Experience Flight Instructor Experience Overall Flight Experience My .02 George On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Robert R Pastusek wrote: Lancair Builders--especially those not yet flying, =20 I=E2=80=99d like to advise you of a forum/discussion to be presented on Mon= day at 1600 at AirVenture by the FAA=E2=80=99s Mark Giron. Mark has been wo= rking on an initiative to allow a second qualified pilot to participate in = Phase I testing of new Experimental-Amateur Built (E-AB) aircraft, and need= s input from the flying community. Mark developed an initial proposal that = was reviewed by the Lancair Owners and Builders Organization (LOBO), and ot= hers within the community earlier this year, and will present the current s= tatus of his initiative for review and comment on Monday afternoon. Please come join us and share your thoughts with those of us who have worke= d for a very long time for this! Bob ----------MB_8D056933FE9CA79_E60_39BB0_webmail-d216.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
George,
 
You get it...
 
Overseas contingency operations?  Man-made disaster area? Drone i= ntensive op area?    Be safe! 
 
Don't worry... the administration has your back... well maybe they wil= l just throw you under the bus....be sure to sign those non disclosure agre= ements before you leave.
 
;)
 
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: George Wehrung <gw5@me.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 8:58 am
Subject: [LML] Re: Second Pilot During Phase I Flight Testing

Bob,

I am heading overseas again so no Osh Kosh this year; maybe, next year= .  My initial thoughts are that the qualified pilot be one that has ex= perience in experimental aircraft; preferably similar make and model. The q= uestion is how do you define qualified?  It would be nice for most to = be able to utilize a pilot from their local flying community.  I would= think the goal is to eliminate the use of a young and newly minted CFI or = the person who has not flown consistently over the last few years.  So= me qualifiers to consider but not necessarily hard and fast requirements ar= e below:

Test Pilot Experience

Experimental Build Experience

Experimental Flight Experience

Flight Instructor Experience

Overall Flight Experience

My .02
George




On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Robert R Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com> wrote:

Lancair Builders--especially those not ye= t flying,
 
I=E2=80=99d like to advise you of a forum= /discussion to be presented on Monday at 1600 at AirVenture by the FAA=E2=80=99s Mark Giron. Mark has been working on an initiative to allow a second qualified pilot= to participate in Phase I testing of new Experimental-Amateur Built (E-AB)= aircraft, and needs input from the flying community. Mark developed an ini= tial proposal that was reviewed by the Lancair Owners and Builders Organiza= tion (LOBO), and others within the community earlier this year, and will pr= esent the current status of his initiative for review and comment on Monday= afternoon.

Please come join us and share your thoughts with those of us who have worke= d for a very long time for this!

Bob

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