Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #65932
From: Craig <craig@skybolt.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Propeller choice for Lancair 320 and Back Plate failures
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:46:25 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Nick and Dan,

 

My 320 had the F8468D prop and I will have to say that it was a very efficient prop.  It always ran very well along side all my friends with 360 motors.  Back in November my nose gear dipped into a pot hole and I had a prop strike.  As a result I ended up upgrading to a 360 and to a new blade design. The blade I am using now is a F7694 with a D twist.  It was a SR-20 blade that I had twisted for the higher speeds of the Lancair.  The combination added apx 12 kts.  It doesn’t feel like it climbs as well but it sure scoots on the level.  While waiting for my motor I did some research and  was able to get the engineers of Hartzell to give me some calculations on the various props for comparison purposes.  Note that they did not want the F8468D used on a 360.  As you can see it was the best blade.  The blade I went with however is not on this list.  The blade they favor is the F7497D.  It has very recently been approved by them for use on the Lancair 360.  You will see it on the Lancair website too. 

 

These calculations below were provided to me from Hartzell.

 

 

7497-2,   199 lbs thrust,  84.6%

7497D-2,  206 lbs thrust, 87.8%

7666-4, 191 lbs thrust, 81.3%

7068-2, 206 lbs thrust 87.8%

8468D-14, 208 lbs, 88.5%  320 motors only

 

At 4500 ft 75 degrees 2700 rpm I am getting 215 kts true with the new 360 motor and prop.  The old 320 did about 203 under similar circumstances.

 

Blue Skies,

Craig Schulze

Lancair N73S

 

 

 

 

 

From: Nick Long [mailto:nick@beaglepup.info]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:00 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Propeller choice for Lancair 320 and Back Plate failures

 

Thanks Dan,

 

That’s all useful info. At first, one would be tempted to say that 3-4 knots is not significant, but if it is repeatable....

I remember years ago some of us wondering why one aircraft was faster than another and swapping supposedly identical props between supposedly identical aircraft, then flying in formation and finding one prop was always 3 or 4 knots better.

 

Nick

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:47 PM

Subject: [LML] Re: Propeller choice for Lancair 320 and Back Plate failures

 

Nick,

 

I’ve got a Lancair 320 with the IO-320-D1B 160hp engine and the Hartzell 70” prop that Lancair and Hartzell approved for this airframe and engine.  I’m very pleased with the performance.  A friend of mine has the same airframe and engine as I do but has the MT 3-blade prop.  When we fly formation at exactly the same power settings, I am pulling away from him at about 3-4kts.  We haven’t tried a side-by-side climb comparison but the 2-blade Hartzell is definitely a bit faster in cruise than the 3-blade Hartzell, just as prop theory would suggest.

 

When I built the plane I was concerned about spinner wobble and stresses, so I created a little donut inside the spinner that fits snugly around the prop hub.  You can see a photo of it here: http://lancair.net/pix/olsen/olsen-construction.  After 720hrs on the airplane I have had no problems with spinner or cracking.

 

Cheers!

 

Dan Olsen

Fort Collins, CO

N320DK, 320 MKII, 720hrs

N630DK, IV-P, 20% complete

 

 

 

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