X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com ([209.85.160.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6331110 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:18:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.48; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id ma3so4061624pbc.35 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.60.133 with SMTP id h5mr472013pbr.15.1371572259895; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:17:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.1.109] ([24.56.209.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xe9sm18903641pbc.21.2013.06.18.09.17.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:17:39 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-EB8DBE40-E11A-444E-AD42-E2FCFCCC0142 X-Original-Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Nose gear check 4P update X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:17:36 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-EB8DBE40-E11A-444E-AD42-E2FCFCCC0142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Bill. =20 i made my nose gear doors out of graphite on my LIVP and used Carbinge to hi= nge them. Have about 70 hours on the plane now with no glitches. Very happ= y with the results. Can share design parameters if you are interested. =20 I also made graphite angle bar to hang them, but that might be overkill with= your engine already being mounted. Best, John Barrett N31VP Sent from my iPad On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "William A. Hogarty" wr= ote: > Ralf: > =20 > I am making up a new set of nose gear doors (don't ask).. > =20 > If you fabricate a new door bracket, please let me know the how and what. = And how they work. (maybe Brent has a pattern??? > =20 > Appreciate the help. > =20 > Regards > =20 > Bill Hogarty > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Chris Zavatson = wrote: >> Ralf, >> The Outback gear doors on the 320/360 suffered a similar fate. The orig= inal actuation scheme couldn't handle the air loads. A small pressure diffe= rential over a large area generates a lot of force. >> Chris >> =20 >> Chris Zavatson >> N91CZ >> 360std >> www.N91CZ.net >>=20 >> From: "bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM" >> To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 >> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:08 AM >> Subject: [LML] Nose gear check 4P update >>=20 >> Dear subscribers, >>=20 >> I did the nose gear check as described Jack Morgan and Charlie Kohler >> earlier. Everything went very smooth and the plane did not move at all >> even when the weight on the tail and chucks were removed. >>=20 >> I cycled the gear 5 times and every time the nose gear door shut >> perfect. This leads to the conclusion that my door shuts perfect after >> take-off and reopens due to air-pressure like Brent Regan describes >> below. >>=20 >> On the in-flight picture you can see how the door gets pushed open. This >> was at a pretty low speed - approx. 140...150 kts indicated - I assume >> it will get worse if I go faster. >>=20 >> I attached pics of my nose gear linkage versus Brent Regan's improved >> nose gear linkage - if yours looks more like mine you probably have the >> same problem. >>=20 >> Since there was so much concern about my jacks I attached a pic of the >> gear check. My jacks work reliable and the plane sits sound on them. >> They just don't have enough stroke. That's why I have little platforms >> that I slide in and out. The set up works reliable - it is just a little >> more work....=20 >>=20 >> Ralf >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brent Regan [mailto:brent@regandesigns.com]=20 >> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:37 AM >> To: Lancair Mailing List >> Subject: Re: Nose gear check 4P >>=20 >> Ralf writes: >> "A friend took a picture of the belly of my airplane in flight with the >> gear up. It looked to me that the nose gear door was not completely >> closed." >>=20 >> The original factory nose gear door linkage geometry provided too low a >> mechanical advantage to keep the doors closed against the internal >> cowling air pressure during flight. On the door bracket, you need to >> fabricate a new part with the link ball hole rotated about the hinge >> centerline towards the AC center. This will give a larger effective >> moment arm when the doors are closed. A slight kink in the linkage arms >> is required. See pictures attached. >>=20 >> BTW, Selecting Gear Up while on the wheels is an incredibly bad idea.=20 >> Buy a decent pair of jacks NOW. Also, do NOT strap the spinner to lift >> the nose. Remove the top cowl and strap the propshaft. >>=20 >> Regards >> Bren Regan >> -- >> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml >=20 --Apple-Mail-EB8DBE40-E11A-444E-AD42-E2FCFCCC0142 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Bill.  

i made my nose gear doors out of graphite on my LIVP and used Carbinge= to hinge them.  Have about 70 hours on the plane now with no glitches.=  Very happy with the results.  Can share design parameters if you= are interested.  

I also made graphite angle b= ar to hang them, but that might be overkill with your engine already being m= ounted.

Best,
John Barrett
N31V= P

Sent from my iPad


On Jun 18, 2013, at 8= :46 AM, "William A. Hogarty" <bi= llhogarty@gmail.com> wrote:

Ralf:
 
I am making up a n= ew set of nose gear doors (don't ask)..
 
If you f= abricate a new door bracket, please let me know the how and what.  And h= ow they work. (maybe Brent has a pattern???
 
Appreciate the help.
 
Regard= s
 
Bill Hogarty
 


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013= at 4:45 AM, Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com> w= rote:
Ralf,
The Outback gear doors on the 3= 20/360 suffered a similar fate.   The original actuation scheme co= uldn't handle the air loads.  A small pressure differential over a larg= e area generates a lot of force.
Chris
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std

From: "
bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS= .COM" <bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:08 AM
<= b>Subject: [LML] Nose gear check= 4P update

Dear subscribers,

I did the nose gear check as described Jac= k Morgan and Charlie Kohler
earlier. Everything went very smooth and the p= lane did not move at all
even when the weight on the tail and chucks were= removed.

I cycled the gear 5 times and every time the nose gear door shut
perf= ect. This leads to the conclusion that my door shuts perfect after
take-o= ff and reopens due to air-pressure like Brent Regan describes
below.

On the in-flight picture you can see how the door gets pushed open. This=
was at a pretty low speed - approx.  140...150 kts indicated - I as= sume
it will get worse if I go faster.

I attached pics of my nose g= ear linkage versus Brent Regan's improved
nose gear linkage - if yours looks more like mine you probably have the
s= ame problem.

Since there was so much concern about my jacks I attache= d a pic of the
gear check. My jacks work reliable and the plane sits sound on them.
They just don't have enough s= troke. That's why I have little platforms
that I slide in and out. The se= t up works reliable - it is just a little
more work....

Ralf



-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Regan [mai= lto:brent@regand= esigns.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:37 AM
To: Lancair M= ailing List
Subject: Re: Nose gear check 4P

Ralf writes:
"A friend took a pict= ure of the belly of my airplane in flight with the
gear up. It looked to m= e that the nose gear door was not completely
closed."

The original factory nose gear door linkage geometry provided too low a<= br>mechanical advantage to keep the doors closed against the internal
cow= ling air pressure during flight. On the door bracket, you need to
fabricate a new part with the link ball hole rotated about the hinge
centerline towards the AC center. This will give a large= r effective
moment arm when the doors are closed. A slight kink in the li= nkage arms
is required. See pictures attached.

BTW, Selecting Gear= Up while on the wheels is an incredibly bad idea.
Buy a decent pair of jacks NOW. Also, do NOT strap the spinner to lift
th= e nose. Remove the top cowl and strap the propshaft.

Regards
Bren R= egan
--
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