X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:35:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6323540 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:36:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.143.82; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1CA5F7007DA1B for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mna003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mna003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.9]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C956FE000089 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:35:47 -0400 (EDT) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Ipad advice In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D03662CF9B99E5_134C_872F_webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37798-STANDARD Received: from 12.110.229.82 by webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com (64.12.254.115) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:35:47 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8D03662CF921461-134C-25D3@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.110.229.82] X-Original-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:35:47 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:496695328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b51b9e6d3436f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D03662CF9B99E5_134C_872F_webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" there is a BIG difference between smart and legal.... Scenario: Fly from A-B with outdated approach plate book that you have only verified = the plate at proposed destination as being "not changed" since last printin= g. You launch and halfway there have to divert to another airport with low = minimums. Is the plate for the alternate current? -- Ans. you don't know be= cuase you didn't check that one or the other 200 in the book. Oops! J -----Original Message----- From: Sky2high To: lml Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2013 8:26 am Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad advice Uh, an approach plate is not "outdated" if it has not changed from its last= print date. =20 In a message dated 6/12/2013 10:41:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, farnswort= h@charter.net writes: =20 =20 I think you can legally fly with an outdated approach plate if you have c= hecked to see if the latest update have not changed anything on the appro= ach you are using in the old data base. =20 =20 =20 Lynn =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ga= ry Casey Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:07 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad advice =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 When it comes to legal advice, I'm not a good one to listen to, but since= no one else answered your question, Here's what I think: You need to ha= ve approach plates, and the normal Foreflight subscription will get you t= hose. You do have to download the plates for each state you expect to vi= sit. You don't legally need a paper backup. The 430W has to have a curr= ent database in order to legally fly GPS approaches. You can fly ILS or = other non-GPS approaches without a current database. That's the way I = understand it and that's what I've been using. You don't actually load a= pproach plates into the 430W - there is no such thing. =20 =20 Gary =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 What actually is required to be IFR legal? Do you have to have the approach plates loaded onto my GNS430W, or just = =3D simply keep the GNS430W software up to date and keep using ForeFlight on = =3D my iPad? ----------MB_8D03662CF9B99E5_134C_872F_webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
there is a BIG difference between smart and legal....=
 
Scenario:
 
Fly from A-B with outdated approach plate book that you have only veri= fied the plate at proposed destination as being "not changed" since last pr= inting. You launch and halfway there have to divert to another airport with= low minimums. Is the plate for the alternate current? -- Ans. you don't kn= ow becuase you didn't check that one or the other 200 in the book. Oops!
 
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From: Sky2high <Sky2high@aol.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2013 8:26 am
Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad advice

Uh, an approach plate is not "outdated" if it has not changed from its= last=20 print date.
 
In a message dated 6/12/2013 10:41:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 farnsworth@charter.net writes= :
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I think you can=20 legally fly with an outdated approach plate if you have checked to see if= the=20 latest update have not changed anything on the approach you are using in = the=20 old data base.
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Lynn
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From: Lancair Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.= net] On Behalf Of Gary=20 Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:07 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad=20 advice
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When it comes=20 to legal advice, I'm not a good one to listen to, but since no one else= =20 answered your question, Here's what I think:  You need to have appro= ach=20 plates, and the normal Foreflight subscription will get you those.  = You=20 do have to download the plates for each state you expect to visit.  = You=20 don't legally need a paper backup.  The 430W has to have a current= =20 database in order to legally fly GPS approaches.  You can fly ILS or= =20 other non-GPS approaches without a current database.  That's the way= I=20 understand it and that's what I've been using.  You don't actually l= oad=20 approach plates into the 430W - there is no such=20 thing.
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Gary
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What actually is required to be IFR=20 legal?

Do you have to have the=20 approach plates loaded onto my GNS430W, or just =3D
simply keep the GNS430W software up to dat= e and keep=20 using ForeFlight on =3D
my=20 iPad?
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