X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6319386 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:16:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.143.81; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 435B37000009A for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mta001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.129]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1348CE00008D for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com Full-name: Sky2high Message-ID: <54c97.2db8ef2f.3ee8a74e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Ipad advice To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54c97.2db8ef2f.3ee8a74e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [67.175.156.123] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1370967375; bh=w/VVUrK1kwJ1tSRuxgFfk24DP/sIYwfSTaehO3E4eUg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m9Lba0lOO6D7rWeM4fePOe0EH6Fe7VwmZf6Ynhi7q6w/d5/8HP5VNk2kyLDGwQne0 TRDfQPfZFg+iaKUCS6vVHjAjxMoS7BWHk0PbgIpe/3cCwe4KMeWYb0JzniTCpmLj5h Os5eRQhr2ap/hPpDMqYBokrVrEuI1Hgt5sHK19k0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:477224800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c51b74d4f3bc0 --part1_54c97.2db8ef2f.3ee8a74e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The requirements of a 430 for sole navigation in non-radar environments requires that the 430 contains the current navigation database. If you want the AP to fly approaches, they best be up-to-date in the 430 also. Grayhawk In a message dated 6/11/2013 11:07:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, peterpawaviation@hotmail.com writes: hi there the ipad meets the requirements for lega IFR. assuming that you have the latest updates of the plates and charts. if you want to use the 430 you can; legally your primary information would have to be the ipad information and not the database of the Garmin 430 unless its database is up to date. peter ____________________________________ To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:37:25 -0400 From: gw5@me.com Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad advice What actually is required to be IFR legal? Do you have to have the approach plates loaded onto my GNS430W, or just simply keep the GNS430W software up to date and keep using ForeFlight on my iPad? On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:50 PM, PETER WILLIAMS <_peterpawaviation@hotmail.com_ (mailto:peterpawaviation@hotmail.com) > wrote: hi there ipad has changed my flying life. i used to subscribe to Jeppesen for the north east USA; cost about $530.00 a year NOW i have the whole USA for $75.00 a year and it is a lot easier to carry. i use foreflight and am very happy with it. ALTERNATIVES Garmin (pilot) Bendix-King (mywingman) WingX some programs even have synthetic vision. ForeFlight does not have synthetic vision. However, i am very happy with the program. i use it with Appareo GPS. it gives weather, fuel prices, TFRs and many other features, all while in flight. Sold only by Sportys. the short coming is that this GPS could only be used with ForeFlight. for an additional $75.00 per year you can have flight tracking on your approach plate, it is something to see. several other apps that i would recommend would be Aeroweather (free) Flightscale (great weight and balance) MyRadar (free) Fltplan flightaware BUY 64gb WITH WIFI AND 3G. The price differential is not that great. i bought two different ipads on ebay. today for example, $330.00 will buy you a 64gb wifi, 3gb ipad 2. i paid $360.00 for a similar machine. you do not want an original ipad as they are too slow. as far as i know, any of the ipad 2 or newer will do all the jobs needed for a pilot. yours peter ____________________________________ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:45:54 +0800 From: _frederickmoreno@bigpond.com_ (mailto:frederickmoreno@bigpond.com) To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) Subject: [LML] Ipad advice needed At our customary Monday morning coffee fest in my hangar this AM (100 LL Java a specialty), one of the fellows brought in an Ipad 3 with aviation apps and an ultrathin Logitech keyboard cover which combined to overcome my buyers resistance. My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop with WiFi since we are in each other's way a lot with our single desk top computer at home. By shifting the problem statement to include aviation use as well as alternate use at home, the shift from plain vanilla el cheapo laptop to Ipad 3 plus keyboard became seamless. So, before spending my money, I wanted to check with this group for the latest advice on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?) configurations for aviation use. How much memory? (We don't plan to use it for movies or a lot of photos). Also want to confirm a review I read that the Ipad 3 has appropriate stand alone GPS, gyros, and accelerometers to permit use of aviation apps. One of the reviews showing comparisons of various Ipads showed that Ipad 3 and 4 had GPS only in the 4 G versions, but Australian 4G is different than US which created a flap over here some time ago. I need to check to see if the 4G works in Australia. Open to suggestions, cautions, recommendations and such. Fearless Fred, returning to Apple after many years on a MacIntosh II, sadly abandoned over a decade ago..... = --part1_54c97.2db8ef2f.3ee8a74e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The requirements of a 430 for sole navigation in non-radar=20 environments requires that the 430 contains the current navigation=20 database.  If you want the AP to fly approaches, they best be up-to-da= te in=20 the 430 also.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 6/11/2013 11:07:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 peterpawaviation@hotmail.com writes:
=
hi there

the ipad meets the requirements for lega I= FR.=20 assuming that you have the latest updates of the plates and charts.
if=20 you want to use the 430 you can; legally your primary information would h= ave=20 to be the ipad information and not the database of the Garmin 430 unless = its=20 database is up to date.

peter
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:37:25 -0400
Fro= m:=20 gw5@me.com
Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad advice

What actually is requ= ired=20 to be IFR legal?=20

Do you have to have the approach plates loaded onto my GNS430W, or j= ust=20 simply keep the GNS430W software up to date and keep using ForeFlight on = my=20 iPad?




On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:50 PM, PETER WILLIAMS <peterpawaviation@hotmail.com= >=20 wrote:

hi there

ipad has changed my flying life.

= i used=20 to subscribe to Jeppesen for the north east USA; cost about $530.00 a= =20 year

NOW
i have the whole USA for $75.00 a year and it is a l= ot=20 easier to carry. i use foreflight and am very happy with=20 it.

ALTERNATIVES
Garmin (pilot)
Bendix-King=20 (mywingman)
WingX

some programs even have synthetic vision. 

ForeFlight does n= ot have=20 synthetic vision. However, i am very happy with the program. i use it w= ith=20 Appareo GPS.
it gives weather, fuel prices, TFRs and many other feat= ures,=20 all while in flight. Sold only by Sportys. the short coming is that thi= s GPS=20 could only be used with ForeFlight. for an additional $75.00 per year y= ou=20 can have flight tracking on your approach plate, it is something to=20 see.

several other apps that i would recommend would=20 be

Aeroweather (free)
Flightscale (great weight and=20 balance)
MyRadar (free)
Fltplan 
flightaware

BU= Y 64gb=20 WITH WIFI AND 3G. The price differential is not that great.
i bought= two=20 different ipads on ebay. today for example, $330.00 will buy you a 64gb= =20 wifi, 3gb ipad 2. i paid $360.00 for a similar machine.

you do n= ot=20 want an original ipad as they are too slow. as far as i know, any of th= e=20 ipad 2 or newer will do all the jobs needed for a=20 pilot.

yours

peter




Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:45:54 +0800
From: frederickmoreno@bigpond.com=
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subj= ect:=20 [LML] Ipad advice needed

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At our customary Monday morning coffee fest in my hangar thi= s=20 AM  (100 LL Java a specialty), one of the fellows brought in= an=20 Ipad 3 with aviation apps and an ultrathin Logitech keyboard cove= r=20 which combined to overcome my buyers resistance. 
 
My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop with WiFi = since=20 we are in each other's way a lot with our single desk top compute= r at=20 home.  By shifting the problem statement to include aviation= use=20 as well as alternate use at home, the shift from plain vanilla el= =20 cheapo laptop to Ipad 3 plus keyboard became seamless.
 
So, before spending my money, I wanted to check with this gr= oup=20 for the latest advice on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?)= =20 configurations for aviation use.  How much memory?  (We= =20 don't plan to use it for movies or a lot of photos). 
 
Also want to confirm a review I read that the  Ipad 3 h= as=20 appropriate stand alone GPS, gyros, and accelerometers to permit = use=20 of aviation apps.   One of the reviews showing comparis= ons=20 of various Ipads showed that Ipad 3 and 4 had GPS only in the 4 G= =20 versions, but Australian 4G is different than US which created a = flap=20 over here some time ago.  I need to check to see if the 4G w= orks=20 in Australia.
 
Open to suggestions, cautions, recommendations and such.
 
Fearless Fred, returning to Apple after many years on a MacI= ntosh=20 II, sadly abandoned over a decade ago.....

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