X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:07:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-gg0-f171.google.com ([209.85.161.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6319025 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:37:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.171; envelope-from=mehapgood@gmail.com Received: by mail-gg0-f171.google.com with SMTP id q3so1448601gge.16 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:37:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.139.133 with SMTP id c5mr6251579yhj.61.1370961427012; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:37:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.2.69] (rrcs-70-61-86-226.midsouth.biz.rr.com. [70.61.86.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a24sm21894503yho.24.2013.06.11.07.37.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:37:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: Matt Hapgood User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.4.130416 X-Original-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:36:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Ipad advice needed From: Matt Hapgood X-Original-To: Lancair List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Ipad advice needed In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3453791824_26199127" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3453791824_26199127 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Absolutely hysterical. I can't stop laughing. When you read it, it seems so funny. Then you realize it's nervous laughter. Because you (I) resemble pretty much every single statement made (okay, I don't have Cheltons, just an Aspen unit and 430's). And yes, I also realized I needed to poison my wife with the same disease so when we go to restaurants together we can sit there and read our iPads. Together. Matt From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Reply-To: Lancair List Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:30 AM To: Lancair List Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad advice needed Hi Fred, I'm late to this party but my advice is DON'T DO IT. You will gradually be sucked away from the umbilical of your desk top in an insidious and frustrating manner until you will long for the simple days when you could wait for your return home to get email, to order some part online or get an answer to a vexing question while you are in a bar, navigate to an address, find a restaurant or carry on any sort of activity that can be expedited by connectivity. You will recall wistfully when you could carry your 10 pound laptop in its own suitcase on your travels through airport security. Heres my sad history of addiction: it all started innocuously enough. Anne got me an iPad 1 as a present, Xmas or bday a few years ago. She knew I had NO interest in Apple, iPhones, 3G and all that garbage that you have to buy subscriptions for so she left that out. I enjoyed playing with it and soon discovered ForeFlight. Got a Dual blue tooth GPS shortly thereafter and my short path to reliance in the cockpit brought about shaking hands and a sweaty neck every time i failed to bring the spaghetti ball of cords to hook all that up. Abstinence may have saved me then, but I was too poor to afford the psychiatric help I needed. There were no 12 step programs available in my community for iPad junkies so that avenue to health was denied me. I did look for some ii meetings but could find none. Along came Square about a year and a half ago. This gave me an excuse to feed my addiction by donating the iPad 1 to my dental business for processing credit transactions and to buy a new iPad 2 with all the memory and other features available. I got an identical unit for Anne so that the awful disease she had saddled me with could be experienced by her as well. Now the iPad is like an appendage and goes everywhere with me. Fortunately, unlike other malignancies it doesn't grow in size although there does appear to be the threat of metastases on the horizon. To summarize the clever ways Apple continues to guarantee an agonizing, slow downward spiral into hell I offer the following observations: 1. the iPad looks like a small, very useful computer. IT ISN'T. You want the keyboard to behave like your PC one does. No such luck and it will quarantee mispelings and mistatements wehre you might want to say one very intelligent thing in an eamil but instead you insult the recipirnt in rahter graphic terms 2. Spreadsheet and word programs are only superficially like the ones you know. You are tempted to use them so you do, but they fall short. 3. Attachments to email? forget it. 4. Your list of unread emails on your desktop will start to resemble a backed up toilet and will only worsen over time. 5. This list is the tip of the iceberg. The true picture of the problem with regards to flying is epitomized by an experience the other day in the LIVP. I have a Garmin 430, two Chelton screens, and a Garmin 496 in the panel. I was putting hours on the new Barrett TSIO 550 for break in and decided to run up to Bellingham. I was frustrated in my attempts to get all the airport information I wanted because I didn't have the iPad with me. That's SICK! So Fred, take it from one who has no chance for recovery. Avoid that first step my friend or you'll wind up in a gutter somewhere like me. Anyone want to trade a new iPad 3 for a new iPhone or Mini iPad? I'm going to start dealing so I can afford my habit. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, "Frederick Moreno" wrote: > > At our customary Monday morning coffee fest in my hangar this AM (100 LL Java > a specialty), one of the fellows brought in an Ipad 3 with aviation apps and > an ultrathin Logitech keyboard cover which combined to overcome my buyers > resistance. > > My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop with WiFi since we are in > each other's way a lot with our single desk top computer at home. By shifting > the problem statement to include aviation use as well as alternate use at > home, the shift from plain vanilla el cheapo laptop to Ipad 3 plus keyboard > became seamless. > > So, before spending my money, I wanted to check with this group for the latest > advice on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?) configurations for aviation > use. How much memory? (We don't plan to use it for movies or a lot of > photos). > > Also want to confirm a review I read that the Ipad 3 has appropriate stand > alone GPS, gyros, and accelerometers to permit use of aviation apps. One of > the reviews showing comparisons of various Ipads showed that Ipad 3 and 4 had > GPS only in the 4 G versions, but Australian 4G is different than US which > created a flap over here some time ago. I need to check to see if the 4G > works in Australia. > > Open to suggestions, cautions, recommendations and such. > > Fearless Fred, returning to Apple after many years on a MacIntosh II, sadly > abandoned over a decade ago..... --B_3453791824_26199127 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Absolutely hysteri= cal.  I can't stop laughing. When you read it, it seems so funny.  = ;Then you realize it's nervous laughter.  Because you (I) resemble pret= ty much every single statement made (okay, I don't have Cheltons, just an As= pen unit and 430's).

And yes, I also realized I nee= ded to poison my wife with the same disease so when we go to restaurants tog= ether we can sit there and read our iPads.  Together.  
=

Matt=

Fr= om: John Barrett <2thman1@gmai= l.com>
Reply-To: Lancair Li= st <lml@lancaironline.net><= br>Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:30= AM
To: Lancair List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: Ipad advice needed

Hi Fred,

I'm late to this party but my a= dvice is DON'T DO IT.

You will gradually be sucked = away from the umbilical of your desk top in an insidious and frustrating man= ner until you will long for  the simple days when you could wait for yo= ur return home to get email, to order some part online or get an answer to a= vexing question while you are in a  bar, navigate to an address, find = a restaurant or carry on any sort of activity that can be expedited by conne= ctivity.  You will recall wistfully when you could carry your 10 pound = laptop in its own suitcase on your travels through airport security.

Heres my sad history of addiction:  it all started in= nocuously enough.  Anne got me an iPad 1 as a present, Xmas or bday a f= ew years ago.  She knew I had NO interest in Apple, iPhones, 3G and all= that garbage that you have to buy subscriptions for so  she left that = out.  I enjoyed playing with it and soon discovered ForeFlight.  G= ot a Dual blue tooth GPS shortly thereafter and my short path to reliance in= the cockpit brought about shaking hands and a sweaty neck every time i fail= ed to bring the spaghetti ball of cords to hook all that up.  Abstinenc= e may have saved me then, but I was too poor to afford the psychiatric help = I needed.  There were no  12 step programs available in my communi= ty for iPad junkies so that avenue to health was denied me.  I did look= for some ii meetings but could find none.

Along ca= me Square about a year and a half ago.  This gave me an excuse to feed = my addiction by donating the iPad 1 to my dental business for processing cre= dit transactions and to buy a new iPad 2 with all the memory and other featu= res available.   I got an identical unit for Anne so that the awful dis= ease she had saddled me with could be experienced by her as well.
=
Now the iPad is like an appendage and goes everywhere with me= .  Fortunately, unlike other malignancies it doesn't grow in size altho= ugh there does appear to be the threat of metastases on the horizon.   =  

To summarize the clever ways Apple continues= to guarantee an agonizing, slow downward spiral into hell I offer the follo= wing observations:

1. the iPad looks like a  s= mall, very useful computer.  IT ISN'T.  You want the keyboard to b= ehave like your PC one does.  No such luck and it will quarantee mispel= ings and mistatements wehre you might want to say one very intelligent thing= in an  eamil but instead you insult the recipirnt in rahter graphic te= rms
2. Spreadsheet and word programs are only superficially like t= he ones you know.  You are tempted to use them so you do, but they fall= short.  
3. Attachments to  email?  forget it.
4. Your list of unread emails on your desktop will start to resemble = a backed up toilet and will only worsen over time.
5. This list is= the tip of the iceberg.

The true picture of the pr= oblem with  regards to flying is epitomized by an experience the other = day in the LIVP.  I have a Garmin 430, two Chelton screens, and a Garmi= n 496 in the panel.  I was putting hours on the new Barrett TSIO  = 550 for break in and decided to run up to Bellingham.  I was frustrated= in my attempts to get all the airport information I wanted because I didn't= have the iPad with me.  That's SICK! 

So= Fred, take it from one who has no chance for recovery.  Avoid that fir= st step my friend or you'll wind up in a gutter somewhere like me.

Anyone want to trade a new iPad 3 for a new iPhone or Mini i= Pad?  I'm going to start dealing so I can afford my habit.
John


Sent from my iPad


On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, "Frederick Moreno" <frederickmoreno@bigpond.com> w= rote:

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At our customary Monday morni= ng coffee fest in my hangar this AM  (100 LL Java a specialty), one of = the fellows brought in an Ipad 3 with aviation apps and an ultrathin Logitec= h keyboard cover which combined to overcome my buyers resistance. 
 
My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop wi= th WiFi since we are in each other's way a lot with our single desk top comp= uter at home.  By shifting the problem statement to include aviation us= e as well as alternate use at home, the shift from plain vanilla el cheapo l= aptop to Ipad 3 plus keyboard became seamless.
 
S= o, before spending my money, I wanted to check with this group for the lates= t advice on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?) configurations for avia= tion use.  How much memory?  (We don't plan to use it for movies o= r a lot of photos). 
 
Also want to confirm a = review I read that the  Ipad 3 has appropriate stand alone GPS, gyros, = and accelerometers to permit use of aviation apps.   One of the re= views showing comparisons of various Ipads showed that Ipad 3 and 4 had GPS = only in the 4 G versions, but Australian 4G is different than US which creat= ed a flap over here some time ago.  I need to check to see if the 4G wo= rks in Australia.
 
Open to suggestions, cautions, = recommendations and such.
 
Fearless Fred, returni= ng to Apple after many years on a MacIntosh II, sadly abandoned over a decad= e ago.....
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