X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:30:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com ([209.85.220.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6318909 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:09:33 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.50; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fb1so5507112pad.9 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.145.67 with SMTP id ss3mr19214052pab.18.1370959740283; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.1.109] ([24.56.209.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fp2sm14814653pbb.36.2013.06.11.07.08.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-AAE4E31D-1BC7-4CB3-958E-C6D337CE1919 X-Original-Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Ipad advice needed X-Original-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 07:08:56 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-AAE4E31D-1BC7-4CB3-958E-C6D337CE1919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fred, I'm late to this party but my advice is DON'T DO IT. You will gradually be sucked away from the umbilical of your desk top in an i= nsidious and frustrating manner until you will long for the simple days whe= n you could wait for your return home to get email, to order some part onlin= e or get an answer to a vexing question while you are in a bar, navigate to= an address, find a restaurant or carry on any sort of activity that can be e= xpedited by connectivity. You will recall wistfully when you could carry yo= ur 10 pound laptop in its own suitcase on your travels through airport secur= ity. Heres my sad history of addiction: it all started innocuously enough. Anne= got me an iPad 1 as a present, Xmas or bday a few years ago. She knew I ha= d NO interest in Apple, iPhones, 3G and all that garbage that you have to bu= y subscriptions for so she left that out. I enjoyed playing with it and so= on discovered ForeFlight. Got a Dual blue tooth GPS shortly thereafter and m= y short path to reliance in the cockpit brought about shaking hands and a sw= eaty neck every time i failed to bring the spaghetti ball of cords to hook a= ll that up. Abstinence may have saved me then, but I was too poor to afford= the psychiatric help I needed. There were no 12 step programs available i= n my community for iPad junkies so that avenue to health was denied me. I d= id look for some ii meetings but could find none. Along came Square about a year and a half ago. This gave me an excuse to fe= ed my addiction by donating the iPad 1 to my dental business for processing c= redit transactions and to buy a new iPad 2 with all the memory and other fea= tures available. I got an identical unit for Anne so that the awful diseas= e she had saddled me with could be experienced by her as well. Now the iPad is like an appendage and goes everywhere with me. Fortunately,= unlike other malignancies it doesn't grow in size although there does appea= r to be the threat of metastases on the horizon. =20 To summarize the clever ways Apple continues to guarantee an agonizing, slow= downward spiral into hell I offer the following observations: 1. the iPad looks like a small, very useful computer. IT ISN'T. You want t= he keyboard to behave like your PC one does. No such luck and it will quara= ntee mispelings and mistatements wehre you might want to say one very intell= igent thing in an eamil but instead you insult the recipirnt in rahter grap= hic terms 2. Spreadsheet and word programs are only superficially like the ones you kn= ow. You are tempted to use them so you do, but they fall short. =20 3. Attachments to email? forget it. 4. Your list of unread emails on your desktop will start to resemble a backe= d up toilet and will only worsen over time. 5. This list is the tip of the iceberg. The true picture of the problem with regards to flying is epitomized by an e= xperience the other day in the LIVP. I have a Garmin 430, two Chelton scree= ns, and a Garmin 496 in the panel. I was putting hours on the new Barrett T= SIO 550 for break in and decided to run up to Bellingham. I was frustrated= in my attempts to get all the airport information I wanted because I didn't= have the iPad with me. That's SICK!=20 So Fred, take it from one who has no chance for recovery. Avoid that first s= tep my friend or you'll wind up in a gutter somewhere like me. Anyone want to trade a new iPad 3 for a new iPhone or Mini iPad? I'm going t= o start dealing so I can afford my habit. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, "Frederick Moreno" wrote: >=20 > > At our customary Monday morning coffee fest in my hangar this AM (100 LL J= ava a specialty), one of the fellows brought in an Ipad 3 with aviation apps= and an ultrathin Logitech keyboard cover which combined to overcome my buye= rs resistance.=20 > =20 > My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop with WiFi since we are i= n each other's way a lot with our single desk top computer at home. By shif= ting the problem statement to include aviation use as well as alternate use a= t home, the shift from plain vanilla el cheapo laptop to Ipad 3 plus keyboar= d became seamless. > =20 > So, before spending my money, I wanted to check with this group for the la= test advice on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?) configurations for a= viation use. How much memory? (We don't plan to use it for movies or a lot= of photos).=20 > =20 > Also want to confirm a review I read that the Ipad 3 has appropriate stan= d alone GPS, gyros, and accelerometers to permit use of aviation apps. One= of the reviews showing comparisons of various Ipads showed that Ipad 3 and 4= had GPS only in the 4 G versions, but Australian 4G is different than US wh= ich created a flap over here some time ago. I need to check to see if the 4= G works in Australia. > =20 > Open to suggestions, cautions, recommendations and such. > =20 > Fearless Fred, returning to Apple after many years on a MacIntosh II, sadl= y abandoned over a decade ago..... --Apple-Mail-AAE4E31D-1BC7-4CB3-958E-C6D337CE1919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Fred,

I'm late to this party= but my advice is DON'T DO IT.

You will gradually b= e sucked away from the umbilical of your desk top in an insidious and frustr= ating manner until you will long for  the simple days when you could wa= it for your return home to get email, to order some part online or get an an= swer to a vexing question while you are in a  bar, navigate to an addre= ss, find a restaurant or carry on any sort of activity that can be expedited= by connectivity.  You will recall wistfully when you could carry your 1= 0 pound laptop in its own suitcase on your travels through airport security.=

Heres my sad history of addiction:  it all st= arted innocuously enough.  Anne got me an iPad 1 as a present, Xmas or b= day a few years ago.  She knew I had NO interest in Apple, iPhones, 3G a= nd all that garbage that you have to buy subscriptions for so  she left= that out.  I enjoyed playing with it and soon discovered ForeFlight. &= nbsp;Got a Dual blue tooth GPS shortly thereafter and my short path to relia= nce in the cockpit brought about shaking hands and a sweaty neck every time i= failed to bring the spaghetti ball of cords to hook all that up.  Abst= inence may have saved me then, but I was too poor to afford the psychiatric h= elp I needed.  There were no  12 step programs available in my com= munity for iPad junkies so that avenue to health was denied me.  I did l= ook for some ii meetings but could find none.

Along= came Square about a year and a half ago.  This gave me an excuse to fe= ed my addiction by donating the iPad 1 to my dental business for processing c= redit transactions and to buy a new iPad 2 with all the memory and other fea= tures available.   I got an identical unit for Anne so that the awful d= isease she had saddled me with could be experienced by her as well.

Now the iPad is like an appendage and goes everywhere with m= e.  Fortunately, unlike other malignancies it doesn't grow in size alth= ough there does appear to be the threat of metastases on the horizon.  =  

To summarize the clever ways Apple continue= s to guarantee an agonizing, slow downward spiral into hell I offer the foll= owing observations:

1. the iPad looks like a  = small, very useful computer.  IT ISN'T.  You want the keyboard to b= ehave like your PC one does.  No such luck and it will quarantee mispel= ings and mistatements wehre you might want to say one very intelligent thing= in an  eamil but instead you insult the recipirnt in rahter graphic te= rms
2. Spreadsheet and word programs are only superficially like t= he ones you know.  You are tempted to use them so you do, but they fall= short.  
3. Attachments to  email?  forget it.
4. Your list of unread emails on your desktop will start to resemble a= backed up toilet and will only worsen over time.
5. This list is t= he tip of the iceberg.

The true picture of the prob= lem with  regards to flying is epitomized by an experience the other da= y in the LIVP.  I have a Garmin 430, two Chelton screens, and a Garmin 4= 96 in the panel.  I was putting hours on the new Barrett TSIO  550= for break in and decided to run up to Bellingham.  I was frustrated in= my attempts to get all the airport information I wanted because I didn't ha= ve the iPad with me.  That's SICK! 

So Fre= d, take it from one who has no chance for recovery.  Avoid that first s= tep my friend or you'll wind up in a gutter somewhere like me.
Anyone want to trade a new iPad 3 for a new iPhone or Mini iPad?=  I'm going to start dealing so I can afford my habit.

John


Sent from my iPad

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On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, "Frederick Moreno" <frederickmoreno@bigpond.com> wro= te:

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At our customary Monday morning coffee fest in my hangar this AM  (= 100 LL Java a specialty), one of the fellows brought in an Ipad 3 with aviat= ion apps and an ultrathin Logitech keyboard cover which combined to overcome= my buyers resistance. 
 
My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop with WiFi since we ar= e in each other's way a lot with our single desk top computer at home. = By shifting the problem statement to include aviation use as well as altern= ate use at home, the shift from plain vanilla el cheapo laptop to Ipad 3 plu= s keyboard became seamless.
 
So, before spending my money, I wanted to check with this group for the= latest advice on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?) configurations fo= r aviation use.  How much memory?  (We don't plan to use it for mo= vies or a lot of photos). 
 
Also want to confirm a review I read that the  Ipad 3 has appropri= ate stand alone GPS, gyros, and accelerometers to permit use of aviation app= s.   One of the reviews showing comparisons of various Ipads showe= d that Ipad 3 and 4 had GPS only in the 4 G versions, but Australian 4G is d= ifferent than US which created a flap over here some time ago.  I need t= o check to see if the 4G works in Australia.
 
Open to suggestions, cautions, recommendations and such.
 
Fearless Fred, returning to Apple after many years on a MacIntosh II, s= adly abandoned over a decade ago.....
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