X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:53:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6317721 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:14:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.81; envelope-from=farnsworth@charter.net Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130610201345.TUJA10448.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:13:45 -0400 Received: from OWNERPC ([24.240.23.88]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id mkDl1l0021u2RW005kDlpc; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:13:45 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Cp/n6QED c=1 sm=1 a=K+sFKCfdL2IjB7v8SKVovw==:17 a=gwHCyth1DhkA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=MWzHYg2fVBwA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=-FIAbzsBAAAA:8 a=vSPvOThrxFggSfOtuTEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CVU0O5Kb7MsA:10 a=jXV_jjDPyMUA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=tBxQ_TA1bdE9FM7K:21 a=44lGeINMQ3RRWfyd:21 a=K+sFKCfdL2IjB7v8SKVovw==:117 From: "Lynn Farnsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Experience with supercharged Legacy? X-Original-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:13:44 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <00d901ce6617$0212a3a0$0637eae0$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIZa9yJko0IlqwrY7i3RVehEeLOgZiZTMCw Content-Language: en-us When you take an IO-550 with a 10:1 compression ratio and then install a supercharger without an intercooler you are asking for problems. My TSIO-550 has a 7.5:1 compression ratio and two intercoolers. I also have two temperature probes in the induction system to monitor the induction air temperature. While my turbos are capable of producing 75" of MP at sea level I would never attempt to run that kind of power without the use of ADI and very high octane aviation fuel. I think that Shannon probably failed to take into consideration that if you put a supercharger on an engine with a 10:1 compression ratio (and no intercoolers) it would not be prudent to not boost the engine above normal MP. I expect he used the increased power that was available often and this resulted in the engine damage that eventually caused the engine to quit. I think he would have been OK if he would have used the supercharger to normalize the engine. I did have conversations with Shannon about his airplane while mine was going together, and was sad when he was killed. As far as Rick is concerned, I believe he flew (was the race pilot) his supercharged Legacy at Reno at least once. He lost to Darryl Greenamyer who was flying his own TSIO-550 powered Super Legacy. If I remember correctly their race speeds that year were in the 325 to 330 MPH range. Since that time the Super Legacy race speeds at Reno have increased to the 370 to 380 MPH range. A cruise true airspeed in the 260 to 275 knot speed range at 16,500 to 17,500 with manifold pressures of 27" to 28" is realistic. But over boosting an IO-550 with a 10:1 compression ratio is not wise, IMO. Lynn Farnsworth Super Legacy #235 TSIO-55- Powered MMO .6 Mach Race #44 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Skip Slater Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:44 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Experience with supercharged Legacy? Rick Shrameck (who founded Epic Aircraft and had a lot of experience in auto racing before he got into aviation), built one of the first Legacys and developed a supercharging mod for the IO-550. His company was called Aero Supercharger Solutions and was based in North Las Vegas. His Legacy, which was flown by a race pilot, had a supercharger on it and was entered in the Reno Air Races for a few years. Rick's most notorious supercharged installation was in a Legacy built by Shannon Knoepflein . For those not familiar with him, Shannon was an electrical engineer and had about every gadget known to man in his plane. He'd reported persistent problems with high oil temps and a couple of particularly hot cylinders for several months after his engine mod, but kept flying anyway. He took his plane to Oshkosh in 2004 and mentioned his overheating issues to several people there. He was advised by some of them not to fly again until he figured out the problem, but he decided to fly the plane home anyway. Witnesses said his engine was missing badly on the takeoff roll, but he continued on anyway. A few minutes after takeoff his engine suffered a catastrophic failure when an apparent case of pre-ignition caused the number three piston to suffer a burn through. Shannon passed by one airport in an attempt to deadstick his plane into Madison County. He didn't make it to the runway and was sadly killed in the subsequent crash. Metal was found throughout the engine and there was a large hole at the top of the crankcase. There was also evidence of overheating damage to several other engine components. I recall that almost anyone who had an opinion at the time felt the supercharger was the root cause of the problems that Shannon had. I'm not aware of anyone who installed another supercharger after that and Aero Supercharger Solutions closed up shop soon thereafter for lack of business. For anyone interested, this link is to the accident report: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20040804X01144&ntsbno=CH I04FA203&akey=1 Skip Slater -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html