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[174.230.202.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d7sm8426183igx.5.2013.06.10.08.50.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Ipad advice needed References: From: Todd Long Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B4405C44-27BC-40F1-952A-F60D70A16A9F X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <96658907-DC0A-433B-8424-0C491968BE39@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:53:52 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-B4405C44-27BC-40F1-952A-F60D70A16A9F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have both an iPad 2 and an iPad 3. The iPad 2 was issued by work and it st= rictly used for jeppesen flight data. The iPad 3 is my personal iPad and I u= se fore flight on that one. I'm not sure what programs worked well down in A= ustralia. I rarely use my computer unless it is for business or like was sai= d before spreadsheet or document programs. If I'm doing anything on the Inte= rnet it's almost always on the iPad. Having a 4G is not necessary but it sur= e makes checking whether filing flight plans before heading out much easier.= If I was to get one strictly for aircraft use it would be the iPad mini. Ev= en in the jet where space is not really at a premium the full-size iPad is a= little cumbersome. In my 4P just a plain Velcro kneestrap works the best. Having used both iPads that have built-in GPS, which is only included in th= e 4G versions, you definitely need an external GPS to get reliable reception= . I also agree the external keyboard is more of a pain than a bonus. Typing and grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone. On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:19, Matt Hapgood wrote= : > I use an iPad 3 in my personal life and for back-up in my airplane (backs u= p my 696). Here are my randomly organized thoughts: >=20 > 1. I love my iPad. Being able to acces email, weather, internet almost a= nywhere is fantastically nice, and having a decent keyboard (not a phone) is= a huge plus, as is the fact it fires up instantly (unlike most notebooks). >=20 > 2. Personally, I don't like the iPad keyboards, as I do fine with the on-= screen one and don't like the amount of real-estate required by a separate k= eyboard (I also have a thin notebook computer I'll use if I want a real keyb= oard and computer). >=20 > 3. Memory=85 you don't need a ton if you don't store several movies and g= obs of photos. This moment I have 3 movies, 488 songs and 6164 photos on my= 32 GB iPad, and still have 4 GB free. >=20 > 4. An iPad is not necessarily a good computer replacement. It's still a p= retty lame substitution for spreadsheet work or anything that has heavy use o= f drop down windows, drag-and-drop features, etc. >=20 > 5. I flew with a buddy last weekend with his iPad mini on the yoke of his= 310. The mini was EXCELLENT in that situation. There's no room in my plan= e to mount either a mini or regular iPad so I prefer the larger iPad. But t= he mini is really really really nice for single-use aviation purposes. He a= lso had an external GPS. I think that is probably necessary for it to be a g= ood aviation device. I'm not an expert on the various external devices, but= I'd probably look for one with the ADS stuff too so I could get free weathe= r. >=20 > Matt >=20 > From: Frederick Moreno > Reply-To: Lancair List > Date: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:45 AM > To: Lancair List > Subject: [LML] Ipad advice needed >=20 > > At our customary Monday morning coffee fest in my hangar this AM (100 LL J= ava a specialty), one of the fellows brought in an Ipad 3 with aviation apps= and an ultrathin Logitech keyboard cover which combined to overcome my buye= rs resistance.=20 > =20 > My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop with WiFi since we are i= n each other's way a lot with our single desk top computer at home. By shif= ting the problem statement to include aviation use as well as alternate use a= t home, the shift from plain vanilla el cheapo laptop to Ipad 3 plus keyboar= d became seamless. > =20 > So, before spending my money, I wanted to check with this group for the la= test advice on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?) configurations for a= viation use. How much memory? (We don't plan to use it for movies or a lot= of photos).=20 > =20 > Also want to confirm a review I read that the Ipad 3 has appropriate stan= d alone GPS, gyros, and accelerometers to permit use of aviation apps. One= of the reviews showing comparisons of various Ipads showed that Ipad 3 and 4= had GPS only in the 4 G versions, but Australian 4G is different than US wh= ich created a flap over here some time ago. I need to check to see if the 4= G works in Australia. > =20 > Open to suggestions, cautions, recommendations and such. > =20 > Fearless Fred, returning to Apple after many years on a MacIntosh II, sadl= y abandoned over a decade ago..... > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l --Apple-Mail-B4405C44-27BC-40F1-952A-F60D70A16A9F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have both an iPad 2 and an iPad 3. T= he iPad 2 was issued by work and it strictly used for jeppesen flight data. T= he iPad 3 is my personal iPad and I use fore flight on that one. I'm not sur= e what programs worked well down in Australia. I rarely use my computer unle= ss it is for business or like was said before spreadsheet or document progra= ms. If I'm doing anything on the Internet it's almost always on the iPad. Ha= ving a 4G is not necessary but it sure makes checking whether filing flight p= lans before heading out much easier. If I was to get one strictly for aircra= ft use it would be the iPad mini. Even in the jet where space is not really a= t a premium the full-size iPad is a little cumbersome. In my 4P just a plain= Velcro kneestrap works the best.
Having used both iPads that have= built-in  GPS, which is only included in the 4G versions, you definite= ly need an external GPS to get reliable reception.
I also agree th= e external keyboard is more of a pain than a bonus.

Typing and gramma= r errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone.

On Jun 10, 2013, at 1= 0:19, Matt Hapgood <matt.= hapgood@alumni.duke.edu> wrote:

I use an iPad 3 in my personal life and for back-up in= my airplane (backs up my 696).  Here are my randomly organized thought= s:

1.  I love my iPad.  Being able to acc= es email, weather, internet almost anywhere is fantastically nice, and havin= g a decent keyboard (not a phone) is a huge plus, as is the fact it fires up= instantly (unlike most notebooks).

2.  Person= ally, I don't like the iPad keyboards, as I do fine with the on-screen one a= nd don't like the amount of real-estate required by a separate keyboard (I a= lso have a thin notebook computer I'll use if I want a real keyboard and com= puter).

3.  Memory=E2=80=A6 you don't need a t= on if you don't store several movies and gobs of photos.  This moment I= have 3 movies, 488 songs and 6164 photos on my 32 GB iPad, and still have 4= GB free.

4.  An iPad is not necessarily a goo= d computer replacement.  It's still a pretty lame substitution for spre= adsheet work or anything that has heavy use of drop down windows, drag-and-d= rop features, etc.

5.  I flew with a buddy las= t weekend with his iPad mini on the yoke of his 310.  The mini was EXCE= LLENT in that situation.  There's no room in my plane to mount either a= mini or regular iPad so I prefer the larger iPad.  But the mini is rea= lly really really nice for single-use aviation purposes.  He also had a= n external GPS.  I think that is probably necessary for it to be a good= aviation device.  I'm not an expert on the various external devices, b= ut I'd probably look for one with the ADS stuff too so I could get free weat= her.
=
Matt

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Date: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:45 AMTo: Lancair List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Ipad advice needed
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At our customary Monday morning co= ffee fest in my hangar this AM  (100 LL Java a specialty), one of the f= ellows brought in an Ipad 3 with aviation apps and an ultrathin Logitech key= board cover which combined to overcome my buyers resistance. 
 
My wife and I decided it was time to get a laptop with Wi= Fi since we are in each other's way a lot with our single desk top computer a= t home.  By shifting the problem statement to include aviation use as w= ell as alternate use at home, the shift from plain vanilla el cheapo laptop t= o Ipad 3 plus keyboard became seamless.
 
So, befo= re spending my money, I wanted to check with this group for the latest advic= e on Ipad3 or is the dual core 4 worthwhile?) configurations for aviation us= e.  How much memory?  (We don't plan to use it for movies or a lot= of photos). 
 
Also want to confirm a review I= read that the  Ipad 3 has appropriate stand alone GPS, gyros, and acce= lerometers to permit use of aviation apps.   One of the reviews sh= owing comparisons of various Ipads showed that Ipad 3 and 4 had GPS only in t= he 4 G versions, but Australian 4G is different than US which created a flap= over here some time ago.  I need to check to see if the 4G works in Au= stralia.
 
Open to suggestions, cautions, recommend= ations and such.
 
Fearless Fred, returning to App= le after many years on a MacIntosh II, sadly abandoned over a decade ago....= .
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