X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com ([209.85.214.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6315603 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:54:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.182; envelope-from=weinsweigd@gmail.com Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id va7so8905070obc.13 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.33.202 with SMTP id t10mr4926419oei.2.1370786052779; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.27] (dynamic-acs-24-112-177-176.zoominternet.net. [24.112.177.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm13916386obw.4.2013.06.09.06.54.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:54:11 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Original-Message-Id: <9E3025DC-018C-4A04-8BC0-F4447537055A@gmail.com> X-Original-Cc: "lml@lancaironline.net" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) From: David Weinsweig Subject: Re: [LML] Propjet belly tank X-Original-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:54:12 -0400 X-Original-To: Craig Jimenez Yes there are potential issues with the standard Lancair Propjet fuel system= . First is the fuel in the belly in the event of a gear up landing though I h= ave not heard of this ever having created a true problem.=20 Second which as far as I know HAS been an issue is refueling after burning f= uel in the belly tank. The wings feed the belly tank which feeds the engine.= Refueling occurs only in the wings. If the belly tank is say half full and t= he wings are topped off it takes some time for the belly to refill which wil= l drain the wings. I have heard the fuel draining into the belly tank throug= h the fuel lines. This can give a false sense of full fuel. If you takeoff b= efore the belly is full ie still with air in the belly a high climb angle ca= n unport the engine causing flameout.=20 I believe that there can be other scenarios such as uncoordinated flight whi= ch may force air into the belly tank but paying attention to the center(bell= y) tank fuel gauge should alert the pilot to this issue.=20 IMHO as long as these issues are recognized the standard fuel system is simp= le and works fine. Left, right, or both-that's it.=20 There have been modifications to the Propjet fuel system with a small header= tank which in theory cannot be unported but as far as I know this involves h= aving to actively transfer fuel between tanks which IMHO may create other is= sues.=20 For me, I know my system and it works fine. If someone is interested in chan= ging their fuel system, talk to John Cook.=20 David=20 On Jun 8, 2013, at 12:58 PM, "Craig Jimenez" wrote: >> or change the fuel system all together which has >> been advocated by some but that opens a whole new conversation thread. >=20 > What's considered state of the art fuel system plumbing to avoid unporting= > the belly tank (to include avoiding a complex or time-consuming fueling > process after you've started to use the belly fuel)? I've heard some have= > "updated" their configuration in recent years. >=20 > I've heard of one propjet that has left, right, or both wing tanks feeding= > the belly tank, which then feeds a header tank that is designed to > eliminate any air. >=20 > Craig >=20