X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-f180.google.com ([74.125.82.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6313151 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:30:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.82.180; envelope-from=indigoaviation@gmail.com Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id w56so3237346wes.11 for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:29:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.9.101 with SMTP id y5mr4596032wja.86.1370618972106; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.60.207 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:29:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:29:31 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Propjet From: swaid rahn X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=047d7b5d5058f4765204de921880 --047d7b5d5058f4765204de921880 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d5058f4764f04de92187f --047d7b5d5058f4764f04de92187f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It already has an 18 gal. belly tank already installed. I did the fuel calibration on it in 2007. Swaid On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Bob Rickard wrote: > How hard would it be to add a belly tank to the Propjet on sale? > > Bob R > > > > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:11 AM, David Weinsweig wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Although the Propjet obviously burns more fuel than a piston, your > estimates are a bit high. I fully agree that I would prefer more than 125 > gallons. > > However, 50 gallons for the first hour is high. My Propjet does burn 50+ > gph on takeoff and at low altitude. However at 10-15 minutes to climb to > cruise altitude with fuel burn at FL220-260 being 29-33 gph, range is > somewhat more than you would expect. On descent near flight idle fuel burn > can get down into the low 20's. > > As an example, I have flown nonstop from Key West to Huntington, WV with a > headwind in 3:30 using all of my 112 gallons in the wings but still leaving > me 34 gallons in my belly tank. This averages out to 32 gph. > > On multiple flights I have estimated that I have right around 4:30 of > flight time until dry starting with full fuel ( though I generally use my > belly tank as my full hour of reserves and never get close to dry). I have > 146 usable gallons. Thus with 125 gallons one would estimate approximately > 3 hours flight time plus legal Ifr reserves. > > I know nothing about the plane listed in your post but range would not be > as bad as you suggest though I agree long range tanks are very desirable in > a turbine. > > And yes you can climb at 4000 fpm(and descend at that too), cruise around > 300 ktas and be airborne or stop once wheels down in 1000' feet. No shock > cooling. And boy does Jet A smell good, and the sound, and the cool > factor!!!! > > Wow what a plane! > > Fly Safe, > > David Weinsweig > N750DW Propjet 303 hours > > > From:PETER WILLIAMS Sender:< > marv@lancaironline.net>Subject:TURBINE 4P BACK FOR SALE $299,000Date:Thu, > 06 Jun 2013 16:44:16 -0400To:lml@lancaironline.net[image: Message Header] > > [image: Undecoded Message] > Recently there was a Lancair 4 Turbine for sale at $250,000; it sold > > and now is back for on the market at $299,000 > > > http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Experimental_Kit_Aircraft/Lancair/PropJet__4_for_sale_68010.html > > the biggest shortcoming is that it has only 125 gallons of fuel. figure > 50 gallons the first hour and 35 gallons the second hour. that leaves you > just over an hour fuel if you land at the two hour point. > you say an hour fuel is excessive to land with, supposing that brings you > to 10,000 feet, then your "cruise" hour of fuel is only 40 minutes. > > but, hey you can climb at 4,000 feet a minute. > > peter > > > > Bob Rickard > President, Rickard Consulting Group, Inc. > r.rickard@rcginc-us.com > > > > --047d7b5d5058f4764f04de92187f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It already has an 18 gal. belly tank already installed. I did the fuel= calibration on it in 2007.
Swaid

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Bob Rickard <= ;r.rickard@rcg= inc-us.com> wrote:
How hard would it be to add a belly tank to the= Propjet on sale?

Bob R




On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:11 AM, David Wei= nsweig <weinsw= eigd@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Peter,
Although the Propjet obviously burns more fuel than a piston, = your estimates are a bit high. I fully agree that I would prefer more than = 125 gallons.=A0

However, 50 gallons for the first hour is high. My Prop= jet does burn 50+ gph on takeoff and at low altitude. However at 10-15 minu= tes to climb to cruise altitude with fuel burn at FL220-260 being 29-33 gph= , range is somewhat more than you would expect. On descent near flight idle= fuel burn can get down into the low 20's.=A0

As an example, I have flown nonstop from Key West to Hu= ntington, WV with a headwind in 3:30 using all of my 112 gallons in the win= gs but still leaving me =A034 gallons in my belly tank. =A0This averages ou= t to 32 gph.=A0

On multiple flights I have estimated that I have right = around 4:30 of flight time until dry starting with full fuel ( though I gen= erally use my belly tank as my full hour of reserves and never get close to= dry). =A0I have 146 usable gallons. Thus with 125 gallons one would estima= te approximately 3 hours flight time plus legal Ifr reserves.=A0

I know nothing about the plane listed in your post but = range would not be as bad as you suggest though I agree long range tanks ar= e very desirable in a turbine.=A0

And yes you can = climb at 4000 fpm(and descend at that too), cruise around 300 ktas and be a= irborne or stop once wheels down in 1000' feet. =A0No shock cooling. An= d boy does Jet A smell good, and the sound, and the cool factor!!!!

Wow what a plane!

Fly Safe,

David Weinsweig
N750DW Propjet 303 hours


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From= : PETER WILLIAMS <peterpawaviation@hotmail.c= om>
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Subject:TURBINE 4P BACK FOR SALE $299,000
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Recently there was a Lancair 4 Turbine for sale at $250,000= ; it sold=A0

and now is back for on the market at $299,000

http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Experimental_K= it_Aircraft/Lancair/PropJet__4_for_sale_68010.html

the biggest shortcoming is that it has only 125 gallons of fuel.=A0 fig= ure 50 gallons the first hour and 35 gallons the second hour. that leaves y= ou just over an hour fuel if you land at the two hour point.=A0
you say = an hour fuel is excessive to land with, supposing that brings you to 10,000= feet, then your "cruise" hour of fuel is only 40 minutes.

but, hey you can climb at 4,000 feet a minute.

peter
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Bob Rickard
President, Rickard Consulting Group, Inc.
r.rickard@r= cginc-us.com




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