X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([216.32.181.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTPS id 6189289 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:35:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.32.181.181; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from mail130-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.251) by CH1EHSOBE007.bigfish.com (10.43.70.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:35:06 +0000 Received: from mail130-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail130-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39723600D9 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:35:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.245.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: PS-1(zz98dIzz1f42h1fc6h1ee6h1de0h1fdah1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzzz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail130-ch1: domain of htii.com designates 157.56.245.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.5; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com; helo=CH1PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail130-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail130-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1365474901285295_28528; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS039.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.237]) by mail130-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C7F160047 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.5) by CH1EHSMHS039.bigfish.com (10.43.69.248) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:34:59 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.53]) by CH1PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.152.36]) with mapi id 14.16.0287.008; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:34:59 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Nose Gear Emergency Extension Thread-Topic: [LML] Nose Gear Emergency Extension Thread-Index: Ac40x+yTIhRVG+Y0Q6WhJuBLAUjbHw== Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:34:59 +0000 Message-ID: <41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD58300A7A@CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.79.165.217] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: rpastusek@htii.com X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com John Barrett wrote: Personally I would not rely on a free fall test to check the air strut. Wa= y too much at stake if you're wrong. I would think the nose gear could fre= e fall perhaps without adequate air strut effectiveness. Until someone tes= ts this with multiple air struts that have various strengths I would not tr= ust this. I like Grayhawk' s and others' comment about undoing the scissor arm at the= nose strut either to test the air strut or to compress it for reinstall. = If that works for the strut it has the added bonus that you remove the scis= sor attach point, inspect, clean and lubricate it, which should also be don= e periodically. I'm thinking if this works I might alternate with strut re= moval one year and scissors attach point the next. Haven't tried it even th= ough I considered it, but I'm wondering if the hydraulic cylinder allows a = enough movement of the scissor to effect a compression of the air strut. D= oes it work without removing the hydraulic cylinder attachment? On Bob's discussion of the emergency down pump system, I always thought the= design of the reservoir is suspect. It has a thru bolt that comes up thro= ugh the bottom of the tank with nothing but a rubber gasket to prevent leak= age of hydraulic fluid from the very lowest point of the tank. It was a lo= ng time ago to recall the details, but I had someone weld the rod into the = tank to reduce the risk of losing all hydraulic fluid in the tank with resu= lting gear up landing. That could mess up your whole day. My .02. John John,=20 I believe that an in-flight test of the emergency nose gear extension syste= m is a better test than just measuring the operating force of the gas sprin= g because it verifies capability of the entire system to function as needed= . Any binding of the linkage or pivot points in the nose gear can keep even= a fully pressurized gas strut from extending the gear. This has happened a= couple of times as a result of hard landings that bent/damaged the nose ge= ar strut assembly, although this usually manifests itself as inability to r= etract the gear on takeoff when the hydraulic system is working against the= gas strut for retraction, instead of with it for extension. With no hydrau= lic pressure, the gas spring has to extend the gear against the force of th= e wind in flight, and this is what dictates the minimum gas pressure requir= ed. My personal cutoff is 120 KIAS although my gear extends and locks down = consistently at 140 KIAS. I plan to actually measure the gas spring pressur= e/force at the coming annual, so will advise if it's deteriorated at all si= nce installation. I agree with John on the IV hydraulic reservoir configuration. I removed th= e rod that attaches the pump to the bottom of the tank and plugged this hol= e with a short bolt and sealing washers. I made a split circular clamp out = of 1/2" Delrin that clamps around the neck of the reservoir and used small = bolts to attach the pump base to this clamp. Has worked like a champ for 6+= years; no leaks at all. Bob