X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:03:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com ([209.85.223.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTPS id 6185774 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 00:05:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.180; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a11so6283728iee.39 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.176.228 with SMTP id cl4mr5502445igc.35.1365393881412; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-66-235-58-245.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net. [66.235.58.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xc3sm14721007igb.10.2013.04.07.21.04.39 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:04:40 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Original-Message-Id: <5E2B264B-519D-4E5C-8890-3B565F32BCB5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Gear Strut Compression Tool X-Original-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:04:36 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Personally I would not rely on a free fall test to check the air strut. Way= too much at stake if you're wrong. I would think the nose gear could free f= all perhaps without adequate air strut effectiveness. Until someone tests t= his with multiple air struts that have various strengths I would not trust t= his. I like Grayhawk' s and others' comment about undoing the scissor arm at the n= ose strut either to test the air strut or to compress it for reinstall. If t= hat works for the strut it has the added bonus that you remove the scissor a= ttach point, inspect, clean and lubricate it, which should also be done peri= odically. I'm thinking if this works I might alternate with strut removal o= ne year and scissors attach point the next. Haven't tried it even though I c= onsidered it, but I'm wondering if the hydraulic cylinder allows a enough mo= vement of the scissor to effect a compression of the air strut. Does it wor= k without removing the hydraulic cylinder attachment? On Bob's discussion of the emergency down pump system, I always thought the d= esign of the reservoir is suspect. It has a thru bolt that comes up through= the bottom of the tank with nothing but a rubber gasket to prevent leakage o= f hydraulic fluid from the very lowest point of the tank. It was a long tim= e ago to recall the details, but I had someone weld the rod into the tank to= reduce the risk of losing all hydraulic fluid in the tank with resulting ge= ar up landing. That could mess up your whole day. My .02. John Sent from my iPad On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Robert R Pastusek wrote: > Dennis wrote: >=20 > I know this might not work in a Lancair IV, but in my Legacy, I do an alte= rnate gear extension test in flight, using gravity and the gas shocks, to co= nfirm that I get three down and locked. If it works, I don't think there is= any need to remove the gas shock and test it. >=20 >=20 > Dennis, > As designed by Lancair, the IV/IV-P mains will "free fall" to a trail posi= tion when the "up" pressure is removed from the gear retraction cylinder. Th= ey will not fully extend and lock down because they have to move forward aga= inst the airstream. Because of the design, there is no reasonable way to att= ach a gas strut to assist this, although some folks have devised various alt= ernative "automatic" extension systems. The Lancair solution was to mount an= emergency pump between the front seats to pump the mains down. Works well i= n all situations except some broken/leaking hydraulic line emergency situati= ons. The reservoir even has a pick up for the emergency pump that is lower i= n the tank so there is some fluid left after the electric pump starts suckin= g air.=20 >=20 > The IV/IV-P nose gear is extended by a gas strut just like the Legacy, and= should extend and lock down any time the "up" pressure is removed from the n= ose gear retraction cylinder. Part of the recommended condition inspection i= s a flight test to confirm that it will extend at or above 120 KIAS when the= hydraulic pressure is depleted--(and that you can also pump the mains down a= nd locked). My nose gear will extend and lock down reliably at 140 KIAS so I= have not removed and tested it with a bathroom scale as recommended, but I'= m thinking that this year is probably time to do so... >=20 > My two cents... >=20 > Bob=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l