X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.220.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTPS id 6184339 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:46:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.47; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id bj3so2496176pad.6 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 07:46:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.116.169 with SMTP id jx9mr19892123pbb.94.1365259584701; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 07:46:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.1.52] (c-66-235-58-245.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net. [66.235.58.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gl9sm18019273pbc.44.2013.04.06.07.46.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Apr 2013 07:46:23 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DB2089FA-776E-416F-8C14-1B3996E98BCA X-Original-Message-Id: <3F277A28-B84A-406F-BB6B-E69C9FD24696@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: nose gear collapse X-Original-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 07:46:19 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-DB2089FA-776E-416F-8C14-1B3996E98BCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Andrea, Will start working on how to get them made and will keep in touch. John Sent from my iPad On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Andrea Katz wrote: > I am interested will buy one >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:47 AM, John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >> I recently removed the air strut referred to so I could test it. It test= ed fine but then I spent a week trying to figure out a way to re install. H= ave built a tool that makes it a simple one man task. Am considering making= them for sale if enough interest. I built it from scrap materials so don't= know costs yet. >>=20 >> Will price if there are enough folks who want them. >>=20 >> John Barrett >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >>=20 >> On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:04 PM, "William A. Hogarty" w= rote: >>=20 >>> Hello Greg: >>>=20 >>> I had completed my annual in May which included a retraction test.......= HOWEVER I did not remove the nose gear gas strut >>> to actually measure the pressure. in the strut My bad. After the i= ncident, I found it measured 55 PSI Enough to lower the >>> nose gear but but not enough to lock it overcenter. Actually there is n= o way to make sure the strut is fully pressurized >>> without removing it. I recommend replacing the strut at each annual. >>>=20 >>> As far as the strakes go, I found them to be the best mod for the IV esp= ecially for the price. The plane was pretty squirley on takeoff >>> especially if using 65 kts to rotate. I now start a slow rotation at 70= kts using a couple clicks of nose up and right rudder trim. The plane >>> seems much happier. I have attached a photo showing how easy there were= to attach. . =20 >>>=20 >>> Did you build your plane? First flight yet? Any other questions? >>>=20 >>> Happy Building....Regards, Bill Hogarty >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Greg Milnar wrote:= >>>> Hello Bill, >>>> =20 >>>> I am sorry to hear about your nose gear collapse. >>>> I was hoping to learn the cause from the lml blog to avoid bringing the= topic up with you. >>>> My lVP is ready to fly but every time I read of someone having a bad da= y, I ask myself again if everything has been proofed as well as possible. I d= id do the service bulletin bracket upgrade but I do not know so may lV's hav= e nose gear collapses. >>>> I notice that your plane has tail strakes. Do you notice a difference i= n stability? >>>> Thank you for your time. >>>> =20 >>>> Greg Milnar >>>> 651-738-3117 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>=20 >>> >>> -- >>> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.h= tml --Apple-Mail-DB2089FA-776E-416F-8C14-1B3996E98BCA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Andrea,

Will start working on how to get  them made and will keep in touch.

John

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 6, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Andrea Katz <bu131@swbell.net> wrote:

I am interested will buy one

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:47 AM, John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently removed the air strut referred to so I could test it.=  It tested fine but then I spent a week trying to figure out a way to r= e install.  Have built a tool that makes it a simple one man task. &nbs= p;Am considering making them for sale if enough interest.  I built it f= rom scrap materials so don't know costs yet.

Will p= rice if there are enough folks who want them.

John B= arrett

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 5, 2013,= at 8:04 PM, "William A. Hogarty" <billhogarty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Greg:

I had com= pleted my annual in May which included a retraction test.......HOWEVER I did= not remove the nose gear gas strut
to actually measure= the pressure. in the strut    My bad.    After the inci= dent, I found it measured 55 PSI  Enough to lower the
nose gear but but not enough to lock it overcenter.  Ac= tually there is no way to make sure the strut is fully pressurized
without removing it.  I recommend replacing the strut at ea= ch annual.

As far as the strakes go, I found t= hem to be the best mod for the IV especially for the price.  The plane w= as pretty squirley on takeoff
especially if using 65 kt= s to rotate.  I now start a slow rotation at 70 kts using a couple clic= ks of nose up and right rudder trim.  The plane
seems much happier.  I have attached a photo showing ho= w easy there were to attach. .  

Did you build your plane?  First flight yet?  Any other q= uestions?

Happy Building....Regards, Bill Hogarty


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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Greg Miln= ar <greg456pw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Bill,
&n= bsp;
I am sorry to hear about your nose gear collapse.
I= was hoping to learn the cause from the lml blog to avoid bringing the topic= up with you.
My lVP is ready to fly but every time I read of someone having a bad da= y, I ask myself again if everything has been proofed as well as possibl= e. I did do the service bulletin bracket upgrade but I do not know so may lV= 's have nose gear collapses.
I notice that your plane has tail strakes.  Do you notice a differ= ence in stability?
Thank you for your time.
 
=
Greg Milnar


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