X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:48:33 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm34-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([72.30.239.75] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6037896 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:57:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.30.239.75; envelope-from=kyrilian_av@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 03:57:04 -0000 Received: from [98.136.87.10] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 03:57:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2013 03:57:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 168403.46185.bm@smtp119-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: PwXvzREVM1k6p.CIWUWbbUGs0nWb0JBPzGtVJOWyUVC2y5m 3f1TXlB1iVwbG52xo0HGjyE4df03bcgJcJpIKVZCiPlYsR.BeghVRDNiNf9R r8OVs5FBnSFxNa_J_LA8HdvPYdBFFSgfnWEpjJAIZG9FHpQATuof0cn24YPv 3JAn1S9AnlzSdQWEUQ_qS39uVtLOZ.GHj8YpNA2UNDLfIWTa80dLrNKqPc0N FetMFee5PVCtkI72a8xUm1Yce5UMpBUfqMCdvce4jPDXn7pW3W1oqo2RGYWe 9ANqKIVauoeXLuYOCrlQB2IahoHt0QjAVGwWuFpd9jx.dImplu8m2H0vxTPk r9xY5tRlbPVz1xL52TNM174THae6aSY17i3RNmx67ylx5wc_wGw2xBMXLrVm TJL9MzIRBRPq23siIogzyq6sPHl7G.pdjGYDQ3gIkLPyS7RB4OMEX.ypG0Xv 1arAFVfudoOt3Nlq6vcJKMYmm2FxroMgr2oa5bp_GNRA2VS49i8L8sWwf1ZF PyXhBzXcJue7OmGVXbZB3nmX7D.xYk3dYuq3_Va6EQGVrWOj8sw.vRwuWrHP yRHvoX6airT.uWxIAXw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mQCJX7qswBDY8ocVKU5pgYmL3O_ezrCW Received: from [192.168.1.79] (kyrilian_av@98.77.67.64 with xymcookie) by smtp119-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2013 19:57:04 -0800 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members References: From: Kyrilian Dyer In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <8DC41EE6-148E-46C2-8B8B-02663A3E533A@yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:56:50 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A523) Charley, I share your sentiment. I think that the homebuilt fraternity and the rules= that allow it are special, and should be preserved. I too want to publicly= thank Marv for his invaluable service to all of us! Where can we donate? Although I'm thrilled that LOBO has been founded, and I applaud most of the g= reat work our LOBO leadership has accomplished (including creation of standa= rdized training syllabi, negotiation with the insurance industry, collection= and analysis of safety data, and encouragement of Lancair owners to get app= ropriate training), I am very uncomfortable with the concept of an SFAR for e= xperimental aircraft. As you said, the primary benefit of the amateur built= arena is the freedom that results because of minimal regulation. Inviting t= he FAA to insert more regulation may very well be a cure that kills the pati= ent. I am an otherwise happy LOBO member, but this is one initiative that I= strongly oppose. - Kyrilian L2K-236 Hoping to make it to Greenville this fall On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Charles Brown wrote: >=20 > Lots of good comments on LOBO and other organizations. However I didn't h= ear anyone pick up on a very critical difference between an organization for= Twin Cessnas, Bonanzas, MU2s, Malibus, etc, and LOBO. Lancairs are experim= ental. I can't see that Lancair Inc would want to touch LOBO with a 10-foot= pole, it might involve them in liability that they can otherwise avoid. An= d while I would not choose Scott Keighan's tone, I think I detect a shared s= entiment -- I got into Experimental aviation in a large measure to AVOID as m= uch regulation, organization, and regimentation as possible.... in other wo= rds, to do my own thing. That's why the category was created in the first p= lace, and that's why a lot of people go there. >=20 > LML is worth more than money, and I've donated -- only hope I can contribu= te a fraction of what I've gained by hearing all your thoughts and experienc= es. But joining an organization (LOBO), creating what might be considered a= set of Advisory Circulars for Lancair owners, paying somebody else (HIPAT) t= o teach me what I should be able to teach myself ... is antithetical to my w= hole reason for having a Lancair. =20 >=20 > Charley Brown=20 > Legacy RG #299 180 hr >=20 > PS -- Anyone else having problems boresighting your Hellfire wingtip rails= on your Legacy? > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l