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Why is flight training by a HIPAT
instructor so much more expensive than flight training by other
instructors? I think that is a larger factor in the “reluctance by
some” to get training in Lancairs than any other reason with the possible
exception of availability of an HIPAT instructor.
Bill B
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Todd Long
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013
9:21 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate
for LOBO members vs non-members
The reluctance by some to regular and ongoing training baffles me. When
I picked up my "preflown" IV-P I met a lobo instructor there and did
training on the way home. I spent 3 days with him and still feel I have a lot
to learn. Could I have picked it up and made it home safely? Absolutely. Did I
do the training just for insurance reasons? No. Im sure some will disagree, but
here it is: if you feel you are too good and safe already to not need training
and practice in this aircraft you have no business flying it with passengers.
Check the ego at the hanger door. This airplane needs to be flown by a well
trained pilot in a professional manner. I applauded Jeff for his efforts to
start an organization dedicated to bettering the safety record of lancairs. I think
the lancairs can be flown by regular private pilots with appropriate training
and an appropriate attitude. Training is not a substitute for experience. But
without some training you might not live long enough to get the experience.
Just because the airplane might be capable of something doesn't mean the pilot
is.
BTW, I spend almost 15 days a year in recurrent simulator training. And
still think I can benefit from one on one with a lancair instructor every year
What Lancair model do you fly?
George,
I respect your position with respect to the LOBO but I disagree that because I
choose not to be a member I am not
making a commitment to being a better pilot. I am a member of the LML amount
numerous other organizations. You have no idea whom I am, what I have done or
what I am doing. I will not get into it here on this forum. Lets just say that
I am a professional within the aviation industry ongoing for over 30 years. I
have given numerous talks to various organizations with respect to my
profession and interests.
I will not get into whom I think is a safer or a better pilot or how to achieve
that goal. Although I do have my own thoughts on that.
Scott Keighan
P.S. I fly IFR and VFR as required in both airplanes and helicopters. I also do
not have any issues getting insurance or training.
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:30:58 -0500
From: gw5@me.com
Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members
It should be obvious that LOBO is not going to get rich off of $40/yr
per member. This rate should be viewed as a great rate for a couple of reasons:
1. The tremendous amount of information with regard to building the
various models of Lancairs, the depth of aviation experience in aerodynamics
and pilotage of our Lancairs, and the knowledge base of regulations from those
who served in regulatory bodies.
2. All of the above plus the commitment of each of us to become better
pilots whether through proficiency training or increasing our ratings/knowledge
base enables such a body as LOBO to better represent us as whole whether its
for insurance rates or for potential FAA governance.
In my opinion, for the cost of 7 gallons or a half hour of flying per
year we are getting a great deal.
In sum; you won't be a better pilot because you joined LOBO but because
you made a comittment to be a better pilot by learning from others and taking
the step to go beyond the status quo.
I can't tell you how many pilots that I have talked to that just go
bombing through MOAs and other high density traffic areas squawking 1200
because they can without talking to anyone. Just because you can doesn't mean
it's smarter.
It's fun to fly VFR but having the ability and knowledge to fly IFR in
your back pocket benefits you and everyone in your plane and the airspace
around you.
Posted for Scott E Keighan <scottekeighan@sympatico.ca>:
So let me get this right. If I pay you $40 to join the LOBO I will be a
better pilot then a non-LOBO member, cool.
How exactly does that work?
Other then someone getting $40 richer, I don't see it. Is this like a pyramid
scam?
Don't insult non members and get a life. As a matter of fact. If the LOBO is
so great, why are you even on the LML?
I think the LOBO members should go to their own blog. I am sure they have
one.
Scott keighan
905 262 5997
[Whoa... lighten up. Since the LML had been operating successfully for a
number of years prior to the founding of LOBO and the LML would likely already
be in touch with most folks who would be interested in joining and
participating in LOBO, an agreement was forged which allowed LOBO to use the
LML as its communications arm. It was a logical decision which would benefit
both entities. Both organizations exist for the benefit of the Lancair
community, especially where safety is involved. As for cost... if
$40/year is too much to pay to an organization dedicated to your safety and
actively working to help getting the Lancair fleet insured at better
rates then don't join. Also, don't participate in their discussions or learn
anything from their shared knowledge... at least that way you'll get what you
paid for. But don't throw stones at folks who are trying to help... that
doesn't get us anywhere. <marv> ]
From: colyncase@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:31:05 -0500
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members
Dico,
That's a good point. That's one reason we would like to get as many
Lancair
pilots on the LML and into LOBO as possible. It's
largely a word of mouth
process to get let people know about these two resources. Getting
the word
out to everyone is one of the "things we can do as a community" to
improve the
situation.
LOBO membership is $40 at www.lancairowners.com.
(Marv would love contributions to keep the LML site going too!)
Colyn
On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Dico Reijers wrote:If the accident rate for
Lancairs is 500x that of commercial aviation... do we have a break down of
what the rate is of LOBO members vs. Non-members. I would hope that
by just
being a LOBO member and reading/learning from this group that the accident
rate for us is more in line with the 300x experimental or even better than
that.
Have we gone through the Lancair accidents to see if the PIC was a LOBO
member. It would be interesting.
-DIco
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