X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:25:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s25.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6037672 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:00:20 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.90.164; envelope-from=scottekeighan@sympatico.ca Received: from SNT129-W26 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s25.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:59:43 -0800 X-EIP: [M+4KXcsGK3nRQXWZ/YcDnrXeG16Rui8D] X-Originating-Email: [scottekeighan@sympatico.ca] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: scottekeighan@sympatico.ca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_09e48440-19dd-40ce-b8a2-29afca0d8597_" From: Scott E Keighan X-Original-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members X-Original-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:59:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2013 22:59:43.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E393A20:01CDFF3D] --_09e48440-19dd-40ce-b8a2-29afca0d8597_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George=2C I respect your position with respect to the LOBO but I disagree that becaus= e I choose not to be a member I am not making a commitment to being a better pilot. I am a member of the LML amoun= t numerous other organizations. You have no idea whom I am=2C what I have d= one or what I am doing. I will not get into it here on this forum. Lets jus= t say that I am a professional within the aviation industry ongoing for ove= r 30 years. I have given numerous talks to various organizations with respe= ct to my profession and interests. I will not get into whom I think is a safer or a better pilot or how to ach= ieve that goal. Although I do have my own thoughts on that. Scott Keighan P.S. I fly IFR and VFR as required in both airplanes and helicopters. I als= o do not have any issues getting insurance or training. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed=2C 30 Jan 2013 12:30:58 -0500 From: gw5@me.com Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members Scott=2C It should be obvious that LOBO is not going to get rich off of $40/yr per m= ember. This rate should be viewed as a great rate for a couple of reasons: 1. The tremendous amount of information with regard to building the various= models of Lancairs=2C the depth of aviation experience in aerodynamics and= pilotage of our Lancairs=2C and the knowledge base of regulations from tho= se who served in regulatory bodies.=20 2. All of the above plus the commitment of each of us to become better pilo= ts whether through proficiency training or increasing our ratings/knowledge= base enables such a body as LOBO to better represent us as whole whether i= ts for insurance rates or for potential FAA governance.=20 In my opinion=2C for the cost of 7 gallons or a half hour of flying per yea= r we are getting a great deal.=20 In sum=3B you won't be a better pilot because you joined LOBO but because y= ou made a comittment to be a better pilot by learning from others and takin= g the step to go beyond the status quo.=20 I can't tell you how many pilots that I have talked to that just go bombing= through MOAs and other high density traffic areas squawking 1200 because t= hey can without talking to anyone. Just because you can doesn't mean it's s= marter.=20 It's fun to fly VFR but having the ability and knowledge to fly IFR in your= back pocket benefits you and everyone in your plane and the airspace aroun= d you.=20 George Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30=2C 2013=2C at 8:27=2C marv@lancair.net wrote: Posted for Scott E Keighan : So let me get this right. If I pay you $40 to join the LOBO I will be a=20 better pilot then a non-LOBO member=2C cool. How exactly does that work?=20 Other then someone getting $40 richer=2C I don't see it. Is this like a py= ramid=20 scam? =20 Don't insult non members and get a life. As a matter of fact. If the LOBO i= s=20 so great=2C why are you even on the LML? I think the LOBO members should go to their own blog. I am sure they have=20 one. Scott keighan 905 262 5997 =20 [Whoa... lighten up. Since the LML had been operating successfully for a number of years prior to the founding of LOBO = and the LML would likely already be in touch with most folks who would be interested in joining and participating in LOBO=2C an agreement was forged = which allowed LOBO to use the LML as its communications arm. It was a logical decision which would benefit both entities. Both organizations exi= st for the benefit of the Lancair community=2C especially where safety is involved. As for cost... if $40/year is too much to pay to an organizat= ion dedicated to your safety and actively working to help getting the Lancair fleet insured at better rates then don't join. Also=2C don't p= articipate in their discussions or learn anything from their shared knowledge... at least that way you'll get what you paid for. But don't thro= w stones at folks who are trying to help... that doesn't get us anywhere. ]=20 From: colyncase@earthlink.net Date: Tue=2C 29 Jan 2013 22:31:05 -0500 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members =20 Dico=2C That's a good point. That's one reason we would like to get as many Lanc= air=20 pilots on the LML and into LOBO as possible. It's largely a word of mouth=20 process to get let people know about these two resources. Getting the word=20 out to everyone is one of the "things we can do as a community" to improve = the=20 situation. =20 LOBO membership is $40 at www.lancairowners.com. (Marv would love contributions to keep the LML site going too!) Colyn On Jan 29=2C 2013=2C at 9:41 PM=2C Dico Reijers wrote:If the accident rate for=20 Lancairs is 500x that of commercial aviation... do we have a break down of= =20 what the rate is of LOBO members vs. Non-members. I would hope that by just=20 being a LOBO member and reading/learning from this group that the accident=20 rate for us is more in line with the 300x experimental or even better than= =20 that.=20 =20 Have we gone through the Lancair accidents to see if the PIC was a LOBO=20 member. It would be interesting. -DIco =20 --=20 Regards=2C =20 Dico Reijers InternetWorks Ltd. =20 300 University Avenue Charlottetown PE=2C C1A 4M4 =20 902-892-4671 (T) 888-368-9484 (F) =20 www.internetworks.ca www.apartmentspei.com =20 =20 =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html = --_09e48440-19dd-40ce-b8a2-29afca0d8597_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
George=2C
I respect your posi= tion with respect to the LOBO but I disagree that because I choose not to b= e a member I am not
making a commitment to being a better pilot. I am a = member of the LML amount numerous other organizations. You have no idea who= m I am=2C what I have done or what I am doing. I will not get into it here = on this forum. Lets just say that I am a professional within the aviation i= ndustry ongoing for over 30 years. I have given numerous talks to various o= rganizations with respect to my profession and interests.

I will not= get into whom I think is a safer or a better pilot or how to achieve that = goal. =3B =3BAlthough I do have my own thoughts on that.

Sco= tt Keighan

P.S. I fly IFR and VFR as required in both airplanes and = helicopters. I also do not have any issues getting insurance or training.
To:=3B lml@lancaironline.net
Date:=3B Wed=2C 30 Jan 2013= 12:=3B30:=3B58 -0500
From:=3B gw5@me.com
Subject:=3B [LM= L] Re:=3B Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members

Scot= t=2C

It should be obvious that LOBO is not going t= o get rich off of $40/yr per member. This rate should be viewed as a great = rate for a couple of reasons:=3B

1. The tremend= ous amount of information with regard to building the various models of Lan= cairs=2C the depth of aviation experience in aerodynamics and pilotage of o= ur Lancairs=2C and the knowledge base of regulations from those who served = in regulatory bodies. =3B

2. All of the above = plus the commitment of each of us to become better pilots whether through p= roficiency training or increasing our ratings/knowledge base enables such a= body as LOBO to better represent us as whole whether its for insurance rat= es or for potential FAA governance. =3B

In my = opinion=2C for the cost of 7 gallons or a half hour of flying per year we a= re getting a great deal. =3B

In sum=3B you won= 't be a better pilot because you joined LOBO but because you made a comittm= ent to be a better pilot by learning from others and taking the step to go = beyond the status quo. =3B

I can't tell you ho= w many pilots that I have talked to that just go bombing through MOAs and o= ther high density traffic areas squawking 1200 because they can without tal= king to anyone. Just because you can doesn't mean it's smarter. =3B

It's fun to fly VFR but having the ability and knowle= dge to fly IFR in your back pocket benefits you and everyone in your plane = and the airspace around you. =3B

George
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Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30=2C 2013=2C at 8:= =3B27=2C marv@lancair.net wro= te:=3B


Posted fo= r Scott E Keighan <=3Bscottekeighan@sym= patico.ca>=3B:=3B

So let me get this right. If I pay you $= 40 to join the LOBO I will be a
better pilot then a non-LOBO member=2C cool.
How exactly does that work?
Other then someone get= ting $40 richer=2C I don't see it. Is this like a pyramid
scam?
Don't insult non members and get a life. As a matter of fact. If the LOBO i= s
so great=2C why are you even on the LML?
I think the LOBO members should go to their own blog. I am sure they have
one.
Scott keighan=
905 262 5997

[Whoa... lighten up.  =3BSince the LML had be= en operating successfully for a number of years prior to the founding of LOBO = and the LML would likely already be in touch with most folks who would be interested in joining and participating in LOBO=2C an agreement was forged = which allowed LOBO to use the LML as its communications arm.  =3BIt was= a logical decision which would benefit both entities.  =3BBoth organizati= ons exist for the benefit of the Lancair community=2C especially where safe= ty is involved.  =3BAs for cost... if $40/year is too much to pay to an or= ganization dedicated to your safety and actively working to help getting  =3Bthe Lancair fleet insured at better rates then don't join. Also=2C = don't participate in their discussions or learn anything from their shared knowledge... at least that way you'll get what you paid for. But don't thro= w stones at folks who are trying to help... that doesn't get us anywhere.  =3B<=3Bmarv>=3B  =3B  =3B]
 =3B


From:=3B colyncase@earthlink.net
Date:=3B Tue=2C 29 Jan 2013 22:=3B31:=3B05 -0500
To:= =3B lml@lancaironline.net
Subject:=3B [LML] Re:=3B Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members

Dico=2C
That's a good point. =3B =3B Th= at's one reason we would like to get as many Lancair
pilots on the LML = and into LOBO as possible. =3B =3B =3B =3BIt's largely a word o= f mouth
process to get let people know about these two resources. =3B =3BGetting the word
out to everyone is one of th= e "=3Bthings we can do as a community"=3B to improve the
situat= ion. =3B =3B
LOBO membership is $40 at www.lancairowners.com.
(Marv would love contri= butions to keep the LML site going too!)
Colyn
On Jan 29=2C 2013=2C at 9:=3B41 PM=2C Dico Reijers wrote:=3BIf the accident rate f= or
Lancairs is 500x that of commercial aviation... do we have a break d= own of
what the rate is of LOBO members vs. Non-members. =3B =3BI would hope th= at by just
being a LOBO member and reading/learning from this group tha= t the accident
rate for us is more in line with the 300x experimental or = even better than
that.

Have we gone through the Lancair accidents to see if the PIC was a LOBO
member. =3B =3BIt would = be interesting.
-DIco

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