X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6037130 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:05:30 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.246; envelope-from=gw5@me.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pOTXggXPC2rAQ++uvrElCg)" Received: from [192.168.8.135] (ip-64-134-70-181.public.wayport.net [64.134.70.181]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MHG000PF7G31H10@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:04:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-30_06:2013-01-30,2013-01-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301300109 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members References: From: George Wehrung X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) In-reply-to: X-Original-Message-id: X-Original-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:04:51 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Boundary_(ID_pOTXggXPC2rAQ++uvrElCg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Scott, It should be obvious that LOBO is not going to get rich off of $40/yr per member. This rate should be viewed as a great rate for a couple of reasons: 1. The tremendous amount of information with regard to building the various models of Lancairs, the depth of aviation experience in aerodynamics and pilotage of our Lancairs, and the knowledge base of regulations from those who served in regulatory bodies. 2. All of the above plus the commitment of each of us to become better pilots whether through proficiency training or increasing our ratings/knowledge base enables such a body as LOBO to better represent us as whole whether its for insurance rates or for potential FAA governance. In my opinion, for the cost of 7 gallons or a half hour of flying per year we are getting a great deal. In sum; you won't be a better pilot because you joined LOBO but because you made a comittment to be a better pilot by learning from others and taking the step to go beyond the status quo. I can't tell you how many pilots that I have talked to that just go bombing through MOAs and other high density traffic areas squawking 1200 because they can without talking to anyone. Just because you can doesn't mean it's smarter. It's fun to fly VFR but having the ability and knowledge to fly IFR in your back pocket benefits you and everyone in your plane and the airspace around you. George Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:27, marv@lancair.net wrote: > > Posted for Scott E Keighan : > > So let me get this right. If I pay you $40 to join the LOBO I will be a > better pilot then a non-LOBO member, cool. > How exactly does that work? > Other then someone getting $40 richer, I don't see it. Is this like a pyramid > scam? > > Don't insult non members and get a life. As a matter of fact. If the LOBO is > so great, why are you even on the LML? > I think the LOBO members should go to their own blog. I am sure they have > one. > Scott keighan > 905 262 5997 > > [Whoa... lighten up. Since the LML had been operating successfully for a number of years prior to the founding of LOBO and the LML would likely already be in touch with most folks who would be interested in joining and participating in LOBO, an agreement was forged which allowed LOBO to use the LML as its communications arm. It was a logical decision which would benefit both entities. Both organizations exist for the benefit of the Lancair community, especially where safety is involved. As for cost... if $40/year is too much to pay to an organization dedicated to your safety and actively working to help getting the Lancair fleet insured at better rates then don't join. Also, don't participate in their discussions or learn anything from their shared knowledge... at least that way you'll get what you paid for. But don't throw stones at folks who are trying to help... that doesn't get us anywhere. ] > > > > From: colyncase@earthlink.net > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:31:05 -0500 > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members > > Dico, > That's a good point. That's one reason we would like to get as many Lancair > pilots on the LML and into LOBO as possible. It's largely a word of mouth > process to get let people know about these two resources. Getting the word > out to everyone is one of the "things we can do as a community" to improve the > situation. > LOBO membership is $40 at www.lancairowners.com. > (Marv would love contributions to keep the LML site going too!) > Colyn > On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Dico Reijers wrote:If the accident rate for > Lancairs is 500x that of commercial aviation... do we have a break down of > what the rate is of LOBO members vs. Non-members. I would hope that by just > being a LOBO member and reading/learning from this group that the accident > rate for us is more in line with the 300x experimental or even better than > that. > > Have we gone through the Lancair accidents to see if the PIC was a LOBO > member. It would be interesting. > -DIco > > -- > Regards, > > Dico Reijers > > InternetWorks Ltd. > > 300 University Avenue > Charlottetown > PE, C1A 4M4 > > 902-892-4671 (T) > 888-368-9484 (F) > > www.internetworks.ca > www.apartmentspei.com > > > > -- > > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Boundary_(ID_pOTXggXPC2rAQ++uvrElCg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,

It sho= uld be obvious that LOBO is not going to get rich off of $40/yr per member. T= his rate should be viewed as a great rate for a couple of reasons:

1. The tremendous amount of information with regard to build= ing the various models of Lancairs, the depth of aviation experience in aero= dynamics and pilotage of our Lancairs, and the knowledge base of regulations= from those who served in regulatory bodies. 

= 2. All of the above plus the commitment of each of us to become better pilot= s whether through proficiency training or increasing our ratings/knowledge b= ase enables such a body as LOBO to better represent us as whole whether its f= or insurance rates or for potential FAA governance. 

In my opinion, for the cost of 7 gallons or a half hour of flying per= year we are getting a great deal. 

In sum; yo= u won't be a better pilot because you joined LOBO but because you made a com= ittment to be a better pilot by learning from others and taking the step to g= o beyond the status quo. 

I can't tell you how= many pilots that I have talked to that just go bombing through MOAs and oth= er high density traffic areas squawking 1200 because they can without talkin= g to anyone. Just because you can doesn't mean it's smarter. 

It's fun to fly VFR but having the ability and knowledge to f= ly IFR in your back pocket benefits you and everyone in your plane and the a= irspace around you. 

George







S= ent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:27, marv@lancair.net wrote:


Posted for Scott E Keighan <scottekeighan@sympatico.ca= >:

So let me get this right. If I pay you $40 to join the LOB= O I will be a
better pilot then a non-LOBO member, cool.
How exactly does that work?
Other then someone gettin= g $40 richer, I don't see it. Is this like a pyramid
scam?

Don't insult non members and get a life. As a matter of fact. If the LOBO is=
so great, why are you even on the LML?
I think the LOBO members should go to their own blog. I am sure they have
one.
Scott keighan<= br> 905 262 5997

[Whoa... lighten up.  Since the LML had been operating successfully for a number of years prior to the founding of LOBO a= nd the LML would likely already be in touch with most folks who would be interested in joining and participating in LOBO, an agreement was forged whi= ch allowed LOBO to use the LML as its communications arm.  It was a logical decision which would benefit both entities.  Both organizations= exist for the benefit of the Lancair community, especially where safety is involved.  As for cost... if $40/year is too much to pay to an organ= ization dedicated to your safety and actively working to help getting  the Lancair fleet insured at better rates then don't join. Also, don't= participate in their discussions or learn anything from their shared knowledge... at least that way you'll get what you paid for. But don't throw= stones at folks who are trying to help... that doesn't get us anywhere.  <marv>    ]
 


From: colyncase@earthlink.net
D= ate: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:31:05 -0500
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate for= LOBO members vs non-members

Dico,
That's a good point.   That's on= e reason we would like to get as many Lancair
pilots on the LML and into LOBO as possible.    It's largely a word of mouth <= br>process to get let people know about these two resources.  Getting the word
out to everyone is one of the "th= ings we can do as a community" to improve the
situation.  
LOBO membership is $40 at www.= lancairowners.com.
(Marv would love contributions to keep the LML si= te going too!)
Colyn
On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Dico Reijers wrote:If the accident rate for
Lancairs i= s 500x that of commercial aviation... do we have a break down of
what the rate is of LOBO members vs. Non-members.  I would hope that by= just
being a LOBO member and reading/learning from this group that the accident
rate for us is more in line with the 300x experimental or e= ven better than
that.

Have we gone through the Lancair accidents to see if the PIC was a LOBO
member.  It would be in= teresting.
-DIco

--
Regards,

Dico Reijers

InternetWorks Ltd.

300 University Avenue
Charlottetown
= PE, C1A 4M4

902-892-4671 (T)
888-368-9484 (F)

www.internetworks.ca
www.apartmentspei.com


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