X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:13:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6035597 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:09:17 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.39; envelope-from=n5276j@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E83EB380004B6 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mla005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mla005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.83]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 754EBE00008D for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:08:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Safety X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: steve Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFCC7391B53847_1BC4_EA945_webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37309-BASIC Received: from 201.204.58.247 by webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:08:42 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CFCC7391A6F001-1BC4-45E87@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [201.204.58.247] X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:08:42 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:394790752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca51082c4a4aff This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CFCC7391B53847_1BC4_EA945_webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ED, =C2=A0 I can't help myself .I totally disagree with your statement" I still say=C2= =A0the 320 -360 is a terrible choice for "fun flying" unless you are IFR=20 capable and fairly skillful.=20 =C2=A0 While I believe myself skillful I am not IFR and never intend to be. I buil= t mine for 40K which I do consider low cost and spared all=C2=A0the =C2=A0e= xpensive=C2=A0=C2=A0extras=C2=A0 add-ons without sacrificing comfort. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Most of my flying is FUN FLYING and I=C2=A0 invite you to Colorado next sum= mer for some real fun flying with a myself and another Legacy.=C2=A0I guara= ntee you will leave with a huge smile.=C2=A0That is if you can keep up. =C2=A0 I have flown a few planes in my days and the 320-360 is noting short of =C2= =A0totally awesome. =C2=A0 I wish I would hear more Thanks to Lance=C2=A0 Neibauer he gave=C2=A0us jus= t what we were asking for but you do have to fly it. I'm=C2=A0 just sorry i= t took me so long to build one. =C2=A0 Here's to Lance Neibauer =C2=A0 Steve Alderman=C2=A0 N25SA=C2=A0 165 TT =C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net> To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net> Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:15 pm Subject: [LML] Safety Charlie, maybe I shouldn=E2=80=99t argue with an aerospace engineer, but as= a trial lawyer I will argue with anyone.=C2=A0 Lancairs may be =E2=80=9Clo= w cost, fun machines=E2=80=9D, but the fun too often stops too suddenly.=C2= =A0 Low cost, fun flying can be done safely in a Kitfox.=C2=A0 My 360 is fu= n, and somewhat low cost (about 100K) but it gets me to Aspen from Dallas i= n under 4 hours.=C2=A0 It stalls at 76 clean and is a real handful in a cro= sswind.=C2=A0 Flying it correctly requires more skill than passing my IFR c= heckride.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t consider a stall-spin accident to be either= =E2=80=9Cfun=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clow cost=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I still say the= 320-360 is a terrible choice for =E2=80=9Cfun flying=E2=80=9D unless you a= re IFR capable and fairly skillful. =C2=A0 Grayhawk, good advice.=C2=A0 The =E2=80=9Cunable=E2=80=9D response is one w= e are reluctant to use.=C2=A0 I was told by Aspen tower to =E2=80=9Cgo arou= nd=E2=80=9D in a Mooney 231 about 10 feet above the numbers with flaps and = airbrakes out, because a dolt in a Jetstar was parked on the opposite end o= f the 8,000 foot runway.=C2=A0 I obeyed the tower and scared the crap out o= f my passenger clawing for altitude over the ski lifts at the east end of t= he airport.=C2=A0 I immediately wondered why I didn=E2=80=99t say =E2=80=9C= unable=E2=80=9D or just land.=C2=A0 The tower guys are not there for your s= afety, just to provide traffic separation.=C2=A0 Ed Gray=C2=A0 Dallas=C2=A0= 360=C2=A0=C2=A0 PS=C2=A0 Try getting insurance without the IFR rating! ----------MB_8CFCC7391B53847_1BC4_EA945_webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
ED,
 
I can't help myself .I totally disagree with your statement" I still s= ay the 320 -360 is a terrible choice for "fun flying" unless you are I= FR
capable and fairly skillful.
 
While I believe myself skillful I am not IFR and never intend to be. I= built mine for 40K which I do consider low cost and spared all the &n= bsp;expensive  extras  add-ons without sacrificing comfort.<= /div>
 
 
Most of my flying is FUN FLYING and I  invite you to Colorado nex= t summer for some real fun flying with a myself and another Legacy. I = guarantee you will leave with a huge smile. That is if you can keep up= .
 
I have flown a few planes in my days and the 320-360 is noting short o= f  totally awesome.
 
I wish I would hear more Thanks to Lance  Neibauer he gave u= s just what we were asking for but you do have to fly it. I'm  just so= rry it took me so long to build one.
 
Here's to Lance Neibauer
 
Steve Alderman  N25SA  165 TT


 
= -----Original Message-----
From: Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:15 pm
Subject: [LML] Safety

Charlie, maybe I sho= uldn=E2=80=99t argue with an aerospace engineer, but as a trial lawyer I wi= ll argue with anyone.  Lancairs may be =E2=80=9Clow cost, fun machines= =E2=80=9D, but the fun too often stops too suddenly.  Low cost, fun fl= ying can be done safely in a Kitfox.  My 360 is fun, and somewhat low = cost (about 100K) but it gets me to Aspen from Dallas in under 4 hours.&nbs= p; It stalls at 76 clean and is a real handful in a crosswind.  Flying= it correctly requires more skill than passing my IFR checkride.  I do= n=E2=80=99t consider a stall-spin accident to be either =E2=80=9Cfun=E2=80= =9D or =E2=80=9Clow cost=E2=80=9D.  I still say the 320-360 is a terri= ble choice for =E2=80=9Cfun flying=E2=80=9D unless you are IFR capable and = fairly skillful.
 
Grayhawk, good advic= e.  The =E2=80=9Cunable=E2=80=9D response is one we are reluctant to u= se.  I was told by Aspen tower to =E2=80=9Cgo around=E2=80=9D in a Moo= ney 231 about 10 feet above the numbers with flaps and airbrakes out, becau= se a dolt in a Jetstar was parked on the opposite end of the 8,000 foot run= way.  I obeyed the tower and scared the crap out of my passenger clawi= ng for altitude over the ski lifts at the east end of the airport.  I = immediately wondered why I didn=E2=80=99t say =E2=80=9Cunable=E2=80=9D or j= ust land.  The tower guys are not there for your safety, just to provi= de traffic separation.  Ed Gray  Dallas  360   PS&= nbsp; Try getting insurance without the IFR rating!
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