X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6034480 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:22:02 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.143; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F414C1C0000AB for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.65.115.51] (unknown [166.137.108.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 41B5BE00009F; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:21:26 -0500 (EST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5BF738A0-2E96-434B-B14B-BC47795ED71D Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Safety Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:21:22 -0600 To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1359458486; bh=3DUNuT3QH9vF3FC3AMLLLTb8XV/ShTNCHhPRBymBX80=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=VoYAxbvXDmTmpRA2sTKLlibdseTZTLpTbvaUTNfj3RGEbzJuZbIRvtPQVSPf6kKal 1OgoqgIo2l9MWUQJigU0J4vs2Y4xHmXlqTtGHICsauvbbUc+Pxj3wj87rbuFzHPaut J5okPd2IOnoRd/VUJpElK2L3vsAhxJEazI+wa89Y= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:334677600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33865107b0b65d10 X-AOL-IP: 166.137.108.114 --Apple-Mail-5BF738A0-2E96-434B-B14B-BC47795ED71D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ed,=20 As an aircraft accident investigator, and cfi I agree 100 Per cent. Jeff AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:15 PM, "Ed Gray" wrote: > Charlie, maybe I shouldn=E2=80=99t argue with an aerospace engineer, but a= s a trial lawyer I will argue with anyone. Lancairs may be =E2=80=9Clow cos= t, fun machines=E2=80=9D, but the fun too often stops too suddenly. Low cos= t, fun flying can be done safely in a Kitfox. My 360 is fun, and somewhat l= ow cost (about 100K) but it gets me to Aspen from Dallas in under 4 hours. I= t stalls at 76 clean and is a real handful in a crosswind. Flying it correc= tly requires more skill than passing my IFR checkride. I don=E2=80=99t cons= ider a stall-spin accident to be either =E2=80=9Cfun=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clo= w cost=E2=80=9D. I still say the 320-360 is a terrible choice for =E2=80=9C= fun flying=E2=80=9D unless you are IFR capable and fairly skillful. > =20 > Grayhawk, good advice. The =E2=80=9Cunable=E2=80=9D response is one we ar= e reluctant to use. I was told by Aspen tower to =E2=80=9Cgo around=E2=80=9D= in a Mooney 231 about 10 feet above the numbers with flaps and airbrakes ou= t, because a dolt in a Jetstar was parked on the opposite end of the 8,000 f= oot runway. I obeyed the tower and scared the crap out of my passenger claw= ing for altitude over the ski lifts at the east end of the airport. I immed= iately wondered why I didn=E2=80=99t say =E2=80=9Cunable=E2=80=9D or just la= nd. The tower guys are not there for your safety, just to provide traffic s= eparation. Ed Gray Dallas 360 PS Try getting insurance without the IFR= rating! --Apple-Mail-5BF738A0-2E96-434B-B14B-BC47795ED71D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Ed, 

As an aircraft accident investigator, and cfi I agree 100 Per cent.=

Jeff

AvSafe 
Jeff Edwards314.308.6719 mobile
636.532.5638 office
On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:15 PM, "Ed Gray" <egraylaw@swbell.net> wrote:

Charlie, maybe I shouldn=E2=80=99t= argue with an aerospace engineer, but as a trial lawyer I will argue with a= nyone.  Lancairs may be =E2=80=9Clow cost, fun machines=E2=80=9D, but t= he fun too often stops too suddenly.  Low cost, fun flying can be done s= afely in a Kitfox.  My 360 is fun, and somewhat low cost (about 100K) b= ut it gets me to Aspen from Dallas in under 4 hours.  It stalls at 76 c= lean and is a real handful in a crosswind.  Flying it correctly require= s more skill than passing my IFR checkride.  I don=E2=80=99t consider a= stall-spin accident to be either =E2=80=9Cfun=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clow cost= =E2=80=9D.  I still say the 320-360 is a terrible choice for =E2=80=9Cf= un flying=E2=80=9D unless you are IFR capable and fairly skillful.

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= Grayhawk, good advice.  The =E2=80=9Cunable=E2=80=9D response is one we= are reluctant to use.  I was told by Aspen tower to =E2=80=9Cgo around= =E2=80=9D in a Mooney 231 about 10 feet above the numbers with flaps and air= brakes out, because a dolt in a Jetstar was parked on the opposite end of th= e 8,000 foot runway.  I obeyed the tower and scared the crap out of my p= assenger clawing for altitude over the ski lifts at the east end of the airp= ort.  I immediately wondered why I didn=E2=80=99t say =E2=80=9Cunable=E2= =80=9D or just land.  The tower guys are not there for your safety, jus= t to provide traffic separation.  Ed Gray  Dallas  360 &= nbsp; PS  Try getting insurance without the IFR rating!

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