X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.236.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6034228 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:10:45 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.236.137; envelope-from=egraylaw@swbell.net Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.51] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2013 05:10:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 308953.17963.bm@smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ogJiCEMVM1kxwKVdCS0Sd5WgiEoiM5T6YXicRlwtJ9NNAil XWewn_2GRXp3khzaI0dAJJemxl2x3JrG7Q7LBUpPefQJOAVqlQ.80Mm8okS9 PhkQ6YVBWLwuFrmy7BvQyFXrpu1UeM4OnW4yxQ2fDoU9ZEU2AsUp8nNo6wXs sCGU4n9MTLIdWaJR8PqZjcZMCUmo6V36jlZFx7oJnn6Bck3rik4bT1wWO6hU KGauRCxG9SbEFnlk9L185L98q1sK1TgoE8FWAc0P_FoJTjChEjUQB6FL6wyG 1yfdiVvtm3goRCZEg0hwqDGp_M5bpe_2BYnnB7gd8N_wtpNmHM3fTsVCD854 m6Dnryx6VMtUbnr7w805ruDmtVCiczvyXCPzHNqwcGu9cvwK4oCTsyQeG6NP 7KBqAsgyRon2OiMxKg1Gm8Wo6CdjByHBW_fLw0n_mjJ_4SbqbN33SukQ6cZO 2iAHpZhIV9D523XhAq5_g40DpEsA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7MzGrViswBB3AheNxBPptcOw9pGuT47xSdXn7qNf1as- Received: from GerryGrayHP (egraylaw@99.98.246.182 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 21:10:10 -0800 PST Reply-To: From: "Ed Gray" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Safety X-Original-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:10:03 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <00c301cdfdde$e5ab53b0$b101fb10$@swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01CDFDAC.9B1354B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: Ac3924GHjF2CxwIWSg+A3lH82Utwfw== Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01CDFDAC.9B1354B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie, maybe I shouldn't argue with an aerospace engineer, but as a trial lawyer I will argue with anyone. Lancairs may be "low cost, fun machines", but the fun too often stops too suddenly. Low cost, fun flying can be done safely in a Kitfox. My 360 is fun, and somewhat low cost (about 100K) but it gets me to Aspen from Dallas in under 4 hours. It stalls at 76 clean and is a real handful in a crosswind. Flying it correctly requires more skill than passing my IFR checkride. I don't consider a stall-spin accident to be either "fun" or "low cost". I still say the 320-360 is a terrible choice for "fun flying" unless you are IFR capable and fairly skillful. Grayhawk, good advice. The "unable" response is one we are reluctant to use. I was told by Aspen tower to "go around" in a Mooney 231 about 10 feet above the numbers with flaps and airbrakes out, because a dolt in a Jetstar was parked on the opposite end of the 8,000 foot runway. I obeyed the tower and scared the crap out of my passenger clawing for altitude over the ski lifts at the east end of the airport. I immediately wondered why I didn't say "unable" or just land. The tower guys are not there for your safety, just to provide traffic separation. Ed Gray Dallas 360 PS Try getting insurance without the IFR rating! ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01CDFDAC.9B1354B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Charlie, maybe I shouldn’t argue with = an aerospace engineer, but as a trial lawyer I will argue with = anyone. Lancairs may be “low cost, fun machines”, but = the fun too often stops too suddenly. Low cost, fun flying can be = done safely in a Kitfox. My 360 is fun, and somewhat low cost = (about 100K) but it gets me to Aspen from Dallas in under 4 hours. = It stalls at 76 clean and is a real handful in a crosswind. Flying = it correctly requires more skill than passing my IFR checkride. I = don’t consider a stall-spin accident to be either = “fun” or “low cost”. I still say the = 320-360 is a terrible choice for “fun flying” unless you are = IFR capable and fairly skillful.

Grayhawk, good = advice. The “unable” response is one we are reluctant = to use. I was told by Aspen tower to “go around” in a = Mooney 231 about 10 feet above the numbers with flaps and airbrakes out, = because a dolt in a Jetstar was parked on the opposite end of the 8,000 = foot runway. I obeyed the tower and scared the crap out of my = passenger clawing for altitude over the ski lifts at the east end of the = airport. I immediately wondered why I didn’t say = “unable” or just land. The tower guys are not there = for your safety, just to provide traffic separation. Ed Gray = Dallas 360 PS Try getting insurance without the = IFR rating!

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