X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6034047 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:36:37 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.40; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 90D9E1C0000EF for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mnb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.141]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 66CE8E000086 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:36:02 -0500 (EST) References: To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: safety In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFCBCFBFED7F38_1B80_14D3BE_webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37309-STANDARD Received: from 12.110.229.82 by webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.149) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:36:02 -0500 Message-Id: <8CFCBCFBFE3F9B4-1B80-67DB9@webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.110.229.82] Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:36:02 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1359419762; bh=BlKVaH5DujcpAKtAlMfWjYZjD3t8uiQUqsbVXgyVs1M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ex+dyMOXhypI+Rd5yPWhSbG9fv5rZBFtJz+2gb9wjt+x7lz2clO/NqZ432nW7ltkD C6b9M7YwfErsqcg7Mbtw/HoMQF7u3j48cpvfMKwLxzDxQ1svswpC0n7AMZO57Tb/Mq 6IgVXTDObZMhjiRno9dqoIgYV6T+y4WtdyU81HOU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433450464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8510719725370 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CFCBCFBFED7F38_1B80_14D3BE_webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" generally speaking the insruance underwriters are looking for at least 1000= hours total time, complex (retract) time and an instrument rating for IV = series aircraft -----Original Message----- From: Rob Murawski To: lml Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 10:52 pm Subject: [LML] Re: safety FYI, when I talked to EAA insurance (broker) before buying my 360 kit to se= e if I could afford the insurance on it, I was told that an instrument rati= ng was required to get insurance. I=E2=80=99m still building, so I can=E2= =80=99t comment if that is true, but I do have my instrument ticket so I=E2= =80=99m not worried. =20 I know that getting my instrument ticket made me a much better pilot, so I = can understand the requirement. He did make a quip about Legacy owners cal= ling and finding out they were too low time and couldn=E2=80=99t get insure= d, so he was happy I was calling BEFORE buying/building. =20 -Rob Lancair 360 MkII, 15% complete. =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Char= les Brown Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:30 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: safety =20 Ed, I would agree wholeheartedly for any of the turbine powered machines an= d any Lancair IV -- they are not for joyriding. At the other end, you woul= dn't want to force a 235/320/360 pilot to an IFR rating; they might be in i= t for low-cost fun. I guess Legacies and ES are somewhere in the middle. = I wonder if it makes sense to draft a LML or LOBO recommended list of pilot= qualifications by airframe/engine combination. This could be a tool for t= he insurance industry, whose help I would rather enlist than have the FAA i= ntervene with regulations. =20 =20 Charley =20 On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Ed Gray wrote: I believe we should exert MAXIMUM pressure on fellow Lancair pilots to get = IFR ratings. These birds are not suited for amateur pilots, and the stats = show it. =20 =20 ----------MB_8CFCBCFBFED7F38_1B80_14D3BE_webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
generally speaking the insruance underwriters are looking fo= r at least 1000 hours total time, complex (retract) time  and an instr= ument rating for IV series aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Murawski <rob@robmurawski.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 10:52 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: safety

FY= I, when I talked to EAA insurance (broker) before buying my 360 kit to see = if I could afford the insurance on it, I was told that an instrument rating= was required to get insurance.  I=E2=80=99m still building, so I can= =E2=80=99t comment if that is true, but I do have my instrument ticket so I= =E2=80=99m not worried.
&n= bsp;
I = know that getting my instrument ticket made me a much better pilot, so I ca= n understand the requirement.  He did make a quip about Legacy owners = calling and finding out they were too low time and couldn=E2=80=99t get ins= ured, so he was happy I was calling BEFORE buying/building.
&n= bsp;
-R= ob
La= ncair 360 MkII, 15% complete.
&n= bsp;
From: Lancair M= ailing List [mailto:lml@lancairon= line.net] On Behalf Of Charles Brown
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:30 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: safety
 
Ed, I would agree wholeheartedly for any of the tu= rbine powered machines and any Lancair IV -- they are not for joyriding. &n= bsp;At the other end, you wouldn't want to force a 235/320/360 pilot to an = IFR rating; they might be in it for low-cost fun.  I guess Legacies an= d ES are somewhere in the middle.  I wonder if it makes sense to draft= a LML or LOBO recommended list of pilot qualifications by airframe/engine = combination.  This could be a tool for the insurance industry, whose h= elp I would rather enlist than have the FAA intervene with regulations. &nb= sp;
 
Charley
 
On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Ed Gray wrote:


I = believe we should exert MAXIMUM pressure on fellow Lancair pilots to get IF= R ratings.  These birds are not suited for amateur pilots, and the sta= ts show it.  
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