X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.163] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6034045 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:33:13 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.163; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C07853800006D for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mnb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.141]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 81A42E000081 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:32:38 -0500 (EST) References: To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 4P AUGERING IN In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFCBCF4697D5DF_1B80_14D2B4_webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37309-STANDARD Received: from 12.110.229.82 by webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.149) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <8CFCBCF4684CAD7-1B80-67D78@webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.110.229.82] Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:32:38 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1359419558; bh=mDCeUjiFWWcYV+fAzEaFIf79ymrtynJag8y4MjCIej8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p9IfBaxzYIYR2KIZ5pGEparoxtt5YR7HqHwJAsY00KcoosUfCMJ9SB2hPoXCjcD4Q 6RycYAg4ZmVsot9dhB7fdVqVJmkuZ5lnDpcyc5y5vyVsbkRPZAgj9CZYMStLPqhNMk lX9mDhAwNvNtPpgjlaT7oL+K8aLe5ZqDlpAn81cY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:349463104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7510718a64d99 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CFCBCF4697D5DF_1B80_14D2B4_webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "own selfish interests"-- actually that is called "profit" and insurance is= essentially nothing more than a contract.=20 Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Case To: lml Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 1:47 pm Subject: [LML] Re: 4P AUGERING IN Using the insurance companies is a great concept and works really well with= hi priced jets. =20 But when you consider the Lancair fleet and the current state of insurance = underwriting, it doesn't work. The most prominent reason for this is that many lancair pilots are "self-in= sured" or carry only liability insurance. So while this may work for the = pilot, it does nothing to help the fleet. And the fleet is what the unde= rwriters are looking at when they set the rates. Then you get to the actual numbers. The actual numbers say that if our fl= eet has more than one fatal a year, we are worse than all of experimental a= viation. =20 On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:41 PM, peter williams wrote: hi there No you are correct, no need for more FAA. but the real police, anyway, are the insurance companies and they can do it= for their own selfish interests. peter =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Charles Brown To: lml Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 1:30 pm Subject: [LML] Re: 4P AUGERING IN Do you *really* want the FAA to step into the Experimental Amateur Built wo= rld with what's essentially a type rating requirement? This is a first ste= p towards setting performance and handling characteristic limits on homebui= lts, and then things like the Evo and IVP disappear and you're left with TB= M-700 and Piper Meridian. Grab your wallet. On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:59 AM, peter williams wrote: i wish that the FAA would impose something like they did to the MU2 pilots;= it would keep us all safer. =20 =20 ----------MB_8CFCBCF4697D5DF_1B80_14D2B4_webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
"own selfish interests"-- actually that is called "profit" and i= nsurance is essentially nothing more than a contract.
 
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 1:47 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: 4P AUGERING IN

Using the insurance companies is a great concept and works really well with= hi priced jets.    

But when you consider the Lancair fleet and the current state of insur= ance underwriting, it doesn't work.

The most prominent reason for this is that many lancair pilots are "se= lf-insured" or carry only liability insurance.   So while this may wor= k for the pilot, it does nothing to help the fleet.    And the fl= eet is what the underwriters are looking at when they set the rates.

Then you get to the actual numbers.   The actual numbers say that= if our fleet has more than one fatal a year, we are worse than all of expe= rimental aviation.  

On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:41 PM, peter williams wrote:

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No you are correct, no need for more FAA.
but the real police, anyway, are the insurance companies and they can do it for their own selfis= h interests.

peter




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