X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.crescentpark.com ([66.192.64.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6033605 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:52:20 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.192.64.50; envelope-from=dtaylor@crescentpark.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CDFD90.E6C21C4E" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:51:44 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <4BC31C60B4CBCD4CB1D0A2F716CC711B03D7EEBF@server31.crescentpark.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: [LML] Re: stalls thread-index: Ac3qo1vEJyH5VDTIQhGIODlPyoIvlQS6lIDA References: From: "Taylor, David" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CDFD90.E6C21C4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in the pro-stall camp with Bill Bradburry. =20 =20 The Legacy stalls just fine and DOES give some warning. To recover you simply get the stick forward and put a little rudder in the direction of the wing drop which you do naturally anyway. Again THE LEGACY IS COMPLETELY SAFE AND STALLS VERY PREDICTABLY. I have practiced this many times. It is a little scary the first few times. Get an instructor to walk you through it if needed. =20 Incidentally you are not really fully stalling the airplane - all you are doing is getting some air separation off one of the wings and it drops (the wing is a safe high performance design and air separates partially and progressively - VERY SAFELY! (It does happen much faster than a 172 for example.) Just get the stick forward and the wing starts flying again - in less than a second. VERY SAFE AND PREDICTABLE! (It is not going to snap into any spins I can guarantee you!) =20 David Taylor Legacy Owner =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: 01-04-13-Fri 12:46 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: stalls =20 Bill, =20 Certainly I have stalled my Lancair. With the ball centered, it breaks straight ahead. When the nose goes thru the horizon, it has stalled and I recover. As it approaches the stall, it gets mushy, there is little burble/buffet warning, but you can definitely tell it is coming because of the mushiness prior. I needed to stall it so that I could set my AOA and 'Bitchin Betty' so I would get a stall warning which I think is needed but not required on experimental planes =20 There is no cause for me to talk to Jeff. He thinks one thing, I think another. He is welcome to his opinion and I plan to stick to mine. I pray we all fly safe. I see a lot of guys rolling their planes. I have no intension of rolling mine. In fact, I think they are nuts, but they are welcome to be nuts if they like. Even more nuts are the guys that fly their planes into ice, which, I think, is where most of the Lancair deaths come from, not from stall training. If you get a Lancair iced up, it doesn't matter what you know about stalls or recovery because you are on a one way elevator. =20 My opinion is you should switch this discussion to ice and away from stalls. There have been deaths due to stalls, the unfortunate guy at Oshkosh who got too slow on approach a couple of years ago comes to mind, but I think many more due to flight into icing.. =20 Everybody fly safe. I am done with the subject. =20 Bill ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Harrelson Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:51 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: stalls =20 Bill, =20 Talk to Jeff. I would agree with your stall ideas in just about any airplanes other than Lancairs. They are different...very different from other airplane types and very different among samples of the same Lancair type. Neither of my Lancairs, the 320 or the IV, give any warning at all before a stall. No buffett, no burble...nothing. If you do a full stall in a IV plan for a break that will be hard and abrupt. Have you actually stalled your Lancair? =20 Please speak to Jeff privately. He has investigated far too many Lancair accidents to pass on his good advice. =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs N6ZQ IV 75 hrs. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: vtailjeff@aol.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:03 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] Re: stalls =20 Bill,=20 =20 I respectfully disagree with just about everything you are saying here. Would you please contact me offline or give me you number so I can call you? =20 Jeff Edwards 324-308-6719 cell =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CDFD90.E6C21C4E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am in the pro-stall camp with Bill Bradburry.  =

 

The Legacy stalls just fine and DOES give some warning.  To = recover you simply get the stick forward and put a little rudder in the = direction of the wing drop which you do naturally anyway.  Again = THE LEGACY IS COMPLETELY SAFE AND STALLS VERY PREDICTABLY.  I have = practiced this many times.  It is a little scary the first few = times.  Get an  instructor to walk you through it if = needed.

 

Incidentally you are not really fully stalling the airplane – = all you are doing is getting some air separation off one of the wings = and it drops (the wing is a safe high performance design and air = separates partially and progressively – VERY SAFELY!  (It = does happen much faster than a 172 for example.)  Just get the = stick forward and the wing starts flying again – in less than a = second.  VERY SAFE AND PREDICTABLE!  (It is not going to snap = into any spins I can guarantee you!)

 

David Taylor

Legacy Owner

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Bill Bradburry
Sent: 01-04-13-Fri 12:46
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = stalls

 

Bi= ll,

 

Ce= rtainly I have stalled my Lancair.  With the ball centered, it = breaks straight ahead.  When the nose goes thru the horizon, it has = stalled and I recover.  As it approaches the stall, it gets mushy, = there is little burble/buffet warning, but you can definitely tell it is = coming because of the mushiness prior.

I = needed to stall it so that I could set my AOA and ‘Bitchin = Betty’ so I would get a stall warning which I think is needed but = not required on experimental planes

 

Th= ere is no cause for me to talk to Jeff.  He thinks one thing, I = think another.  He is welcome to his opinion and I plan to stick to = mine.  I pray we all fly safe.  I see a lot of guys rolling = their planes.  I have no intension of rolling mine.  In fact, = I think they are nuts, but they are welcome to be nuts if they = like.  Even more nuts are the guys that fly their planes into ice, = which, I think, is where most of the Lancair deaths come from, not from = stall training.  If you get a Lancair iced up, it doesn’t = matter what you know about stalls or recovery because you are on a one = way elevator.

 

My= opinion is you should switch this discussion to ice and away from = stalls.  There have been deaths due to stalls, the unfortunate guy = at Oshkosh who got too slow on approach a couple of years ago comes to = mind, but I think many more due to flight into = icing..

 

Ev= erybody fly safe. I am done with the subject.

 

Bi= ll

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Bill Harrelson
Sent: Friday, January 04, = 2013 1:51 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sub= ject: [LML] Re: stalls

 

Bill,

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Talk to Jeff. I would agree with your = stall ideas in just about any airplanes other than Lancairs. They are = different...very different from other airplane types and very different = among samples of the same Lancair type. Neither of my Lancairs, the 320 = or the IV, give any warning at all before a stall. No buffett, no = burble...nothing. If you do a full stall in a IV plan for a break that = will be hard and abrupt. Have you actually stalled your = Lancair?

 

=

Please speak to Jeff privately. He has = investigated far too many Lancair accidents to pass on his good = advice.

 

=

Bill = Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 = 2,150 hrs

N6ZQ  = IV  75 hrs.

 

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= From:= vtailjeff@aol.com =

= Sent:= Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:03 PM

= Subject:= [LML] Re: stalls

 

B= ill,

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I= respectfully disagree with just about everything you are saying here. = Would you please contact me offline or give me you number so I can call = you?

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J= eff Edwards

3= 24-308-6719 cell

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