X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([216.32.180.13] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6032880 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:54:30 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.32.180.13; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from mail91-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.239) by VA3EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.7.40.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:55 +0000 Received: from mail91-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail91-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3E232006B for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.245.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -11 X-BigFish: PS-11(zzbb2dI98dI9371I542I1432I2176M111aIzz1ee6h1de0h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz8275ch17326ah8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail91-va3: domain of htii.com designates 157.56.245.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.5; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com; helo=CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail91-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail91-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1359384833205596_8870; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS016.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.240]) by mail91-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3374A009D for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.5) by VA3EHSMHS016.bigfish.com (10.7.99.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:46 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.248]) by CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.152.39]) with mapi id 14.16.0263.000; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:45 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Also, does the Primer work? Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Also, does the Primer work? Thread-Index: AQHN/Pk0Whtv2POulEerz+4Y+WbR35he0c8A X-Original-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:45 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD4A863CE4@CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [166.147.113.152] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Return-Path: rpastusek@htii.com X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com I would add that the fuel flow changes with boost pump on or off. Important= that you know which way your engine is set up (with or without low boost o= n) to achieve the correct fuel flow on takeoff. On my TSO-550E, this varies= by about 4 GPH with/without low boost. This is within the allowable allowa= nce of fuel flow for my engine, but if the fuel system is set up to flow at= the top end of the allowable range (mine is), the addition of low boost co= uld deliver enough fuel to flood the engine. Again, it's important to know= what you have/how your engine is set up, and to operate it accordingly. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Paul= Bricker Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:46 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Also, does the Primer work? George, Questions I also had while building my ES. First, there is a bypass circuit on the engine driven fuel pump. That's how= the electrical pump can get fuel to the engine when the engine driven pump= fails. The priming works by just forcing fuel through the spider and injectors. It pools in the intake until it runs out the overflow ports (and on the han= ger floor, tarmack, nose wheel, etc.) I had a document on the flow rate/pressure for the Dukes pump in both Low a= nd High modes, but I can't find it now. As I remember in the low pressure m= ode it would provide more fuel then I needed for cruise LOP, but not max po= wer at sea level. Since this was to allow we to get somewhere to land I con= sidered it sufficient. I ran an IO-550N. If you're running TSIO you may nee= d to plan on reduced power. I originally wired my AC with the LOW-OFF-HIGH switch, and went to OFF-LOW = later with a mom PRIME button. Too much fuel forced into the 550 can make i= t stop running, so a momentary HIGH seemed safer to me. From what I've read= one failure mode of the altitude compensating fuel pump can be very danger= ous. There are threads on this in the archives. In the ES at least HPAT is (was?) training to take-off with LOW boost ON. It always made sense to me. I don't know about other Lancairs. Paul Bricker On 1/27/13 10:30 AM, "George Wehrung" wrote: >As a continuation to my previous post, referencing the build manual=20 >chapters 14 and 23: > >Chapter 23: wiring: denotes a Single Pole Double Throw rocker switch=20 >for the LOW-OFF-HIGH positions of the fuel boost pump. > >Chapter 14: Firewall Forward, depicting the fuel flow does not show a=20 >separate routing for the fuel primer circuit. So how does the primer=20 >function work? Is it merely pushing a higher volume of fuel through=20 >the circuit? I know it's necessary for hot starts to quickly circulate=20 >the cooler fuel to the manifold but does it somehow bypass the=20 >gascolator and the engine driven fuel pump? This would make sense if=20 >it did as some aircraft call for pushing in the primer and possibly=20 >holding it in to keep the engine running in the event of an engine=20 >driven fuel pump failure. > >So then why do I only have a low selection of the boost pump? Should I=20 >replace my boost pump switch with a three-position LOW-OFF-HIGH switch. >Should I have the boost pump on LOW for takeoff, descent and landing? > >Thanks again > >George > > > > >-- >For archives and unsub >http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html