X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:21:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([216.32.181.185] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6032887 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:51:47 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.32.181.185; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from mail45-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.228) by CH1EHSOBE018.bigfish.com (10.43.70.68) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:51:12 +0000 Received: from mail45-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail45-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D76480401 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:51:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.245.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0710HT005.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -8 X-BigFish: PS-8(zz98dI9371I2176M111aIzz1ee6h1de0h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzz17326ahz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail45-ch1: domain of htii.com designates 157.56.245.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.5; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com; helo=CH1PRD0710HT005.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail45-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail45-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1359384580120716_6570; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.236]) by mail45-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1051A1C0233 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0710HT005.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.5) by CH1EHSMHS009.bigfish.com (10.43.70.9) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:49:39 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.248]) by CH1PRD0710HT005.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.152.40]) with mapi id 14.16.0263.000; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:49:39 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Also, does the Primer work? Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Also, does the Primer work? Thread-Index: AQHN/PmAAvsPqYu6pkqQaWzadXljo5heylRA X-Original-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:49:38 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD4A863CAE@CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [166.147.113.152] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Return-Path: rpastusek@htii.com X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com George, I'll add a bit to Colyn's post: Some (but not all) injected Continental en= gines are equipped with a separate, solenoid-controlled primer circuit that= 1) powers the electric boost pump and 2) opens the solenoid, dumping raw f= uel into the intake manifold when activated. I don't have this system on my= TSIO-550E, but use the boost pump and mixture control to achieve a similar= result. Some believe that dumping the fuel into the intake manifold via th= e primer circuit is better; I really don't know. My engine dumps fuel direc= tly into the cylinders via the injectors when the boost pump is on and the = mixture control is in; works well for both hot and cold starting--with diff= erent techniques. I've not actually run a big Continental with a failed engine fuel pump, but= the folks at the Continental engine class that Colyn and I attended last w= eek advise that the engine should run at partial power when the aux pump is= on "low boost" and will likely need to be modulated by the mixture control= when on "high boost." The "should" means that this would be the expected p= erformance; they were rather reluctant to commit to any specific operation = not knowing how our fuel systems are installed/plumbed/configured. Bob George, I don't have the whole answer but maybe one of the engine experts= will chime in. I do know: - engine pump does have a spring loaded bypass so that the boost pump can d= rive fuel through it if it fails. (We learned that at the Continental Fact= ory course this week). - High boost is a speed function on the boost pump. I have never seen a IV= that didn't have one. - I'm not sure what the primer button does (I have both) but I think it has= special plumbing. Many planes don't have this. - I need to do some research to understand the relative outputs of the engi= ne pump vs. the boost pump and how that will affect mixture in the event of= an engine pump failure. My expectation is low boost will not be enough a= nd high boost will probably require a mixture adjustment. On Jan 27, 2013, at 12:30 PM, George Wehrung wrote: As a continuation to my previous post, referencing the build manual chapter= s 14 and 23: Chapter 23: wiring: denotes a Single Pole Double Throw rocker switch for t= he LOW-OFF-HIGH positions of the fuel boost pump. Chapter 14: Firewall Forward, depicting the fuel flow does not show a separ= ate routing for the fuel primer circuit. So how does the primer function w= ork? Is it merely pushing a higher volume of fuel through the circuit? I = know it's necessary for hot starts to quickly circulate the cooler fuel to = the manifold but does it somehow bypass the gascolator and the engine drive= n fuel pump? This would make sense if it did as some aircraft call for pus= hing in the primer and possibly holding it in to keep the engine running in= the event of an engine driven fuel pump failure. So then why do I only have a low selection of the boost pump? Should I rep= lace my boost pump switch with a three-position LOW-OFF-HIGH switch. Shoul= d I have the boost pump on LOW for takeoff, descent and landing? Thanks again George -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html