X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6032214 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:07:06 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.32; envelope-from=rob@robmurawski.com Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t3tW1k00K0cZkys53F6ZoM; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 03:06:33 +0000 Received: from wintermute.rob-home.local. ([76.120.176.49]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tF6Z1k00C14KV5G3WF6Ze4; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 03:06:33 +0000 Received: from darkside (darkside.rob-home.local [192.168.0.50]) by wintermute.rob-home.local. (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r0S36DaJ003364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:06:19 -0500 From: "Rob Murawski" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: safety X-Original-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:06:14 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <001b01cdfd04$72229d20$5667d760$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01CDFCDA.894C9520" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ac38vGJ8pQSgbcoNRaSPvfA9fNfVgwAR4pPA Content-Language: en-us X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: r0S36DaJ003364 X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.999, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner-From: rob@robmurawski.com MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1359947180.89794@75w72GjbbkZBDHV4muS3SA This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CDFCDA.894C9520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, when I talked to EAA insurance (broker) before buying my 360 kit to see if I could afford the insurance on it, I was told that an instrument rating was required to get insurance. I'm still building, so I can't comment if that is true, but I do have my instrument ticket so I'm not worried. I know that getting my instrument ticket made me a much better pilot, so I can understand the requirement. He did make a quip about Legacy owners calling and finding out they were too low time and couldn't get insured, so he was happy I was calling BEFORE buying/building. -Rob Lancair 360 MkII, 15% complete. From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Charles Brown Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:30 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: safety Ed, I would agree wholeheartedly for any of the turbine powered machines and any Lancair IV -- they are not for joyriding. At the other end, you wouldn't want to force a 235/320/360 pilot to an IFR rating; they might be in it for low-cost fun. I guess Legacies and ES are somewhere in the middle. I wonder if it makes sense to draft a LML or LOBO recommended list of pilot qualifications by airframe/engine combination. This could be a tool for the insurance industry, whose help I would rather enlist than have the FAA intervene with regulations. Charley On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Ed Gray wrote: I believe we should exert MAXIMUM pressure on fellow Lancair pilots to get IFR ratings. These birds are not suited for amateur pilots, and the stats show it. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CDFCDA.894C9520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

FYI, when I talked to EAA insurance (broker) before buying my 360 kit = to see if I could afford the insurance on it, I was told that an = instrument rating was required to get insurance. I’m still = building, so I can’t comment if that is true, but I do have my = instrument ticket so I’m not worried.

I know that getting my instrument ticket made me a much better pilot, = so I can understand the requirement. He did make a quip about = Legacy owners calling and finding out they were too low time and = couldn’t get insured, so he was happy I was calling BEFORE = buying/building.

-Rob

Lancair 360 MkII, 15% complete.

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Charles Brown
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:30 = PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = safety

Ed, I = would agree wholeheartedly for any of the turbine powered machines and = any Lancair IV -- they are not for joyriding. At the other end, = you wouldn't want to force a 235/320/360 pilot to an IFR rating; they = might be in it for low-cost fun. I guess Legacies and ES are = somewhere in the middle. I wonder if it makes sense to draft a LML = or LOBO recommended list of pilot qualifications by airframe/engine = combination. This could be a tool for the insurance industry, = whose help I would rather enlist than have the FAA intervene with = regulations.

Charley

On = Jan 27, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Ed Gray wrote:

I believe = we should exert MAXIMUM pressure on fellow Lancair pilots to get IFR = ratings. These birds are not suited for amateur pilots, and the = stats show it. =

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