X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:22:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6032202 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:20:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.143; envelope-from=peterpaw@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3546F1C00008E for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mma004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mma004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.191.141]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0D76BE000081 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:19:45 -0500 (EST) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: safety In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: peter williams X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFCB151288253C_1708_8EC84_webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37309-STANDARD Received: from 69.204.230.119 by webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:19:44 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CFCB15127E9FBC-1708-2A647@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.204.230.119] X-Original-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:19:44 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:471055296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a5105e04165d9 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CFCB151288253C_1708_8EC84_webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" love your thinking peter =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Sky2high To: lml Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:44 pm Subject: [LML] Re: safety Ahhhhhh! =20 Two (2) new organizations, LML (Love My Lancair) and LOBO (Lancairs Only By= Others) has agreed that the 200/300 series are indeed low cost fun machine= s, sometimes for single use only. IFR (I Fear Rain) is more about an attit= ude (no pun) and flying style rather than a rating. Cross country in a wee= Lancair is like doing the same in a Corvette (fast, efficient, 2 people, c= an't carry too much, easy to get a ticket for misuse), although some compar= e the 200 series to the Smart car (two small people, one bag of groceries, = no pets). Note that none of these vehicles works very well in high ground = x-winds, thunderstorms or ice (singly or in combination).=20 =20 Pilot qualifications: 1. Successfully accumulated enough flight frights to respect these slick m= overs that resemble lawn darts when something goes wrong. 1a. Willing to spend some quality time with a Lancair qualified instructor. 2. Understands that there are fast things and slow things but neither shou= ld be trying to do the other. 3. Recognize that one can go down or slow down but can't do both at the sa= me time. 4. Firmly believes one need not obey ATC when they issue phrases like: "Ke= ep it close in", "follow the 152 on a short base", "cleared to land followi= ng the yellow SNJ on short final", etc. On the other hand, it is OK to il= luminate ATC with phrases like "standby", "negatory", "unable to comply", "= I'm going around because he's been on short final for ever", "I'll continue= ahead of the incoming Lear, I'm faster", etc. =20 5. Willing to leave baggage room for a spare tire and tube. 6. Never uses the phrase "Watch this!" 7. Experience counts and can only continue to count if it is not premature= ly terminated. 8........... Uh, I could go on. =20 Grayhawk =20 =20 In a message dated 1/27/2013 12:30:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, browncc1@= verizon.net writes: =20 Ed, I would agree wholeheartedly for any of the turbine powered machines = and any Lancair IV -- they are not for joyriding. At the other end, you = wouldn't want to force a 235/320/360 pilot to an IFR rating; they might be = in it for low-cost fun. I guess Legacies and ES are somewhere in the m= iddle. I wonder if it makes sense to draft a LML or LOBO recommended lis= t of pilot qualifications by airframe/engine combination. This could be = a tool for the insurance industry, whose help I would rather enlist than = have the FAA intervene with regulations. =20 =20 =20 Charley =20 =20 On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Ed Gray wrote: =20 =20 =20 I believe we should exert MAXIMUM pressure on fellow Lancair pilots to ge= t IFR ratings. These birds are not suited for amateur pilots, and the st= ats show it. =20 =3D =20 ----------MB_8CFCB151288253C_1708_8EC84_webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" love your thinking

peter



-----= Original Message-----
From: Sky2high <Sky2high@aol.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:44 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: safety

Ahhhhhh!
 
Two (2) new organizations, LML (Love My Lancair) and LOBO=20 (Lancairs Only By Others) has agreed that the 200/300 series=20 are indeed low cost fun machines, sometimes for single use only.&= nbsp;=20 IFR (I Fear Rain) is more about an attitude (no pun) and flying s= tyle=20 rather than a rating.  Cross country in a wee Lancair is lik= e=20 doing the same in a Corvette (fast, efficient, 2 people, can't carry t= oo=20 much, easy to get a ticket for misuse), although some compare the 200= =20 series to the Smart car (two small people, one bag of groceries, no=20 pets).  Note that none of these vehicles works very wel= l in=20 high ground x-winds, thunderstorms or ice (singly or in=20 combination). 
 
Pilot qualifications:
1.  Successfully accumulated enough flight frights to respect the= se=20 slick movers that resemble lawn darts when something goes wrong.
1a. Willing to spend some quality time with a Lancair qualified=20 instructor.
2.  Understands that there are fast things and slow thi= ngs=20 but neither should be trying to do the other.
3.  Recognize that one can go down or slow down but can't do= both=20 at the same time.
4.  Firmly believes one need not obey ATC when they iss= ue=20 phrases like: "Keep it close in", "follow the 152 on a short base", "cleare= d to=20 land following the yellow SNJ on short final",  etc.  On the= =20 other hand, it is OK to illuminate ATC with phrases like "standby",=20 "negatory", "unable to comply", "I'm going around because he's been on shor= t=20 final for ever", "I'll continue ahead of the incoming Lear, I'm faster",=20 etc. 
5.  Willing to leave baggage room for a spare tire and tube.
6.  Never uses the phrase "Watch this!"
7.  Experience counts and can only continue to count if it is not= =20 prematurely terminated.
8........... Uh, I could go on.
 
Grayhawk
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2013 12:30:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 browncc1@verizon.net writes:
=20
Ed, I would agree wholeheartedly for any of the turbine powered machin= es=20 and any Lancair IV -- they are not for joyriding.  At the other end,= you=20 wouldn't want to force a 235/320/360 pilot to an IFR rating; they might b= e in=20 it for low-cost fun.  I guess Legacies and ES are somewhere in the= =20 middle.  I wonder if it makes sense to draft a LML or LOBO recommend= ed=20 list of pilot qualifications by airframe/engine combination.  This c= ould=20 be a tool for the insurance industry, whose help I would rather enlist th= an=20 have the FAA intervene with regulations.  
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=20
Charley

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On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Ed Gray wrote:

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I believe we should exert MAXIMU= M pressure on fellow=20 Lancair pilots to get IFR ratings.  These birds are not suited for= =20 amateur pilots, and the stats show it.=20  
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