X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 5993262 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 10:51:01 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 957BA1C000178 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.151.185.121] (unknown [166.137.108.160]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 36C86E0000F5; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:50:25 -0500 (EST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-36A4D41C-E765-4E6E-8437-B409D0673820 X-Original-Message-Id: <2B3C7CC1-5E0C-4D41-BCB8-050DFEC8F698@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 09:50:20 -0600 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478947424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294450e5a8c13ca1 X-AOL-IP: 166.137.108.160 --Apple-Mail-36A4D41C-E765-4E6E-8437-B409D0673820 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Bill,=20 Please call me and we can discuss. Jeff 314.308.6719 mobile On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "Bill Bradburry" wrot= e: > No, I got it. I just don=E2=80=99t get all this talk about Lancairs being= deadly in a stall. It seems you are trying to scare Lancair drivers into f= oregoing stall training. That, in my opinion, will kill more people than le= arning to fly their planes. I understand the reason for no spins and if you= know how to recover your plane from an incipient stall, there should never b= e a reason to recover from a spin. > But flying a plane that you are afraid to, and have never, stalled is just= plane dumb! > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Col= yn Case > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:33 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: stalls > =20 > I guess you didn't get my point... > =20 > On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote: >=20 >=20 > Because nobody wants to die alone?? > =20 > If you are not competent to practice stalls solo in your Lancair, you prob= ably shouldn=E2=80=99t be flying it solo. > =20 > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Col= yn Case > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:04 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: stalls > =20 > aerodynamically, I don't know what a Lancair has in common with a Zlin. = One thing it doesn't have is excess control authority. I'm all in favor o= f stall recognition training but I wouldn't advocate everyone going out in t= heir Lancair's solo and doing it.... > =20 > On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Andres Katz wrote: > =20 > Why not? > If you never stall the airplane when it happens you won't be able to recog= nize what is doing and how to react. Learning what your airplane does when i= t stalls and recovering from it is essential to safe flight. In flying Acro w= e stall the airplane multiple times, at low altitude and in front of ungrate= ful critical sobs that will laugh at you when you screw up but will give you= good tips about recovering from it. Every airplane stalls differently, righ= t wing drop, left wing drop, bucking etc. learning what the airplane does pr= e stall is the most important. My ZLIN 50 is so nice it begins to buckle and= bitch at me and tells me what I need to do (lower the stick) before it kill= s me. I advise you to get a good instructor and go to 10,000 feet and spend t= he best 2 hrs of your life stalling your airplane and getting to know her. I= t's=20 > Ike making love to your wife and knowing when she is happy..... > Sorry about that but > My old savvy instructor when checking me out in single seat airplanes alwa= ys told me the same, go out to a safe altitude, stall the airplane, learn wh= en it does it look at the speed when it happens, add 10 knots and come and l= and, it has never failed to get me down safely ie yak55, Jungmeister, ZLIN, c= hipmunk etc. > My few cents worth of it. You will live longer. >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" wr= ote: >=20 >> I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether i= n my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin accident information, I ju= st don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, I stay in ground effect fo= r the half second it takes to make it into the green after wheels up; on lan= ding, I approach well above stall for my flap configuration, and let the spe= ed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold. During normal flight, I d= on't even get near a typical slow flight speed. Too many variables in a hom= e built airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY wh= ere I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck= ; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). >> =20 >> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed= Gray >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >> Subject: [LML] stalls >>=20 >> Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN. If you are flying lo= w under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified safety pilot >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12= >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >>=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-36A4D41C-E765-4E6E-8437-B409D0673820 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Bill, 

=
Please call me and we can discuss.

Jeff<= br>

314.308.6719 mobile



On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

=

No, I got it.  I just don=E2=80=99= t get all this talk about Lancairs being deadly in a stall.  It seems you are= trying to scare Lancair drivers into foregoing stall training.  That, i= n my opinion, will kill more people than learning to fly their planes.  I= understand the reason for no spins and if you know how to recover your plane from an incipient stall, there should never be a reason to recover from a spin.=

But flying a plane that you are afraid t= o, and have never, stalled is just plane dumb!

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lanc= aironline.net] On Behalf Of C= olyn Case
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2= 013 8:33 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: stalls

 

I guess you didn't get my point...

 

On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote:



Because nobody wants to die alone??

 <= /o:p>

If you are not competent to practice stalls solo in your Lancair, you probably shouldn=E2=80=99t be flying it sol= o.

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf= Of Colyn Case
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2= 013 2:04 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: stalls

 

aerodynamically, I don't know what  a Lancair has in common with a Zlin.    On= e thing it doesn't have is excess control authority.   I'm all in favor o= f stall recognition training but I wouldn't advocate everyone going out in the= ir Lancair's solo and doing it....

 

On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Andres Katz wrote:

 

Why not?

If you never stall the airplane when it happens you won't be able to recognize what is doing and how to react. Learning what your airplane does when it sta= lls and recovering from it is essential to safe flight. In flying Acro we stall t= he airplane multiple times, at low altitude and in front of ungrateful critical= sobs that will laugh at you when you screw up but will give you good tips ab= out recovering from it. Every airplane stalls differently, right wing drop, left= wing drop, bucking etc. learning what the airplane does pre stall is the mos= t important. My ZLIN 50 is so nice it begins to buckle and bitch at me and tel= ls me what I need to do (lower the stick) before it kills me. I advise you to g= et a good instructor and go to 10,000 feet and spend the best 2 hrs of your lif= e stalling your airplane and getting to know her. It's =

Ike making love to your wife and knowing when she is happy.....

Sorry about that but

My old savvy instructor when checking me out in single seat airplanes always to= ld me the same, go out to a safe altitude, stall the airplane, learn when it do= es it look at the speed when it happens, add 10  knots and come and land, i= t has never failed to get me down safely ie yak55, Jungmeister, ZLIN, chipmunk etc= .

My few cents worth of it. You will live longer.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" <superdmp@sonic.net> wrote:

I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in my 360.  After reading the sta= ll and stall spin accident information, I just don't think it's worth the risk.  On take-off, I stay in ground effect for the half second it take= s to make it into the green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above= stall for my flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet= above the threshold.  During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed.  Too many variables in a home built airplane= with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think i= t is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible extr= a wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain).=

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf= Of Ed Gray
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 20= 13 9:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] stalls<= /font>

Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN.  If you are flying low und= er the hood, I hope you have a well qualified  safety pilot

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

 

 

= --Apple-Mail-36A4D41C-E765-4E6E-8437-B409D0673820--