X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:04:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 5991759 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:05:50 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.61; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YNe030IzaNaXRqL/BhYFowUN7GoCBlTNZayI69tTPhNLynr9a1o2rZD9WJzmpyrA; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.105.250.129] (helo=[192.168.1.34]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TqSgd-0000te-9G for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:05:07 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-209-885584923 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:05:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <5E246389-12EC-453E-83FC-8737B96C9D5B@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940ff6adafb4e51d656406ad9f9c2df51f3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.105.250.129 --Apple-Mail-209-885584923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii aerodynamically, I don't know what a Lancair has in common with a Zlin. = One thing it doesn't have is excess control authority. I'm all in = favor of stall recognition training but I wouldn't advocate everyone = going out in their Lancair's solo and doing it.... On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Andres Katz wrote: Why not? If you never stall the airplane when it happens you won't be able to = recognize what is doing and how to react. Learning what your airplane = does when it stalls and recovering from it is essential to safe flight. = In flying Acro we stall the airplane multiple times, at low altitude and = in front of ungrateful critical sobs that will laugh at you when you = screw up but will give you good tips about recovering from it. Every = airplane stalls differently, right wing drop, left wing drop, bucking = etc. learning what the airplane does pre stall is the most important. My = ZLIN 50 is so nice it begins to buckle and bitch at me and tells me what = I need to do (lower the stick) before it kills me. I advise you to get a = good instructor and go to 10,000 feet and spend the best 2 hrs of your = life stalling your airplane and getting to know her. It's=20 Ike making love to your wife and knowing when she is happy..... Sorry about that but My old savvy instructor when checking me out in single seat airplanes = always told me the same, go out to a safe altitude, stall the airplane, = learn when it does it look at the speed when it happens, add 10 knots = and come and land, it has never failed to get me down safely ie yak55, = Jungmeister, ZLIN, chipmunk etc. My few cents worth of it. You will live longer. Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" = wrote: > I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls = altogether in my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin accident = information, I just don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, I = stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the = green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my = flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above = the threshold. During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical = slow flight speed. Too many variables in a home built airplane with no = precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, = but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible = extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). >=20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Ed Gray > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] stalls >=20 > Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN. If you are flying = low under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified safety pilot > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: = 12/23/12 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. >=20 --Apple-Mail-209-885584923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Why not?
If you never stall the = airplane when it happens you won't be able to recognize what is doing = and how to react. Learning what your airplane does when it stalls and = recovering from it is essential to safe flight. In flying Acro we stall = the airplane multiple times, at low altitude and in front of ungrateful = critical sobs that will laugh at you when you screw up but will give you = good tips about recovering from it. Every airplane stalls differently, = right wing drop, left wing drop, bucking etc. learning what the airplane = does pre stall is the most important. My ZLIN 50 is so nice it begins to = buckle and bitch at me and tells me what I need to do (lower the stick) = before it kills me. I advise you to get a good instructor and go to = 10,000 feet and spend the best 2 hrs of your life stalling your airplane = and getting to know her. It's 
Ike making love to your = wife and knowing when she is happy.....
Sorry about that = but
My old savvy instructor when checking me out in single = seat airplanes always told me the same, go out to a safe altitude, stall = the airplane, learn when it does it look at the speed when it happens, = add 10  knots and come and land, it has never failed to get me down = safely ie yak55, Jungmeister, ZLIN, chipmunk etc.
My few cents = worth of it. You will live longer.

Sent from my = iPad

On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" = <superdmp@sonic.net> = wrote:

I have made the decision = prior to purchasing to avoid stalls=20 altogether in my 360.  After reading the stall and stall spin = accident=20 information, I just don't think it's worth the risk.  On take-off, = I stay=20 in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the green = after=20 wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap = configuration,=20 and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold.  = During=20 normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed.  = Too many=20 variables in a home built airplane with no precise envelope, a = header tank=20 that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 = pounds if the=20 gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention = after=20 heavy rain).

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed = Gray
Sent:=20 Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subj= ect: [LML] stalls

Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP=20 TURNS IN THE PATTERN.  If you are flying low under the hood, I hope = you=20 have a well qualified  safety = pilot

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / = Virus=20 Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12
Internal Virus Database = is out=20 of date.


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