X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com ([209.85.161.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 5991568 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:31:55 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.172; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by mail-gg0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r1so2213532ggn.31 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:31:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.122.238 with SMTP id t74mr9685397yhh.96.1357144281995; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:31:21 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.137] ([68.202.59.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a43sm45894930yhl.0.2013.01.02.08.31.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:31:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls From: Paul Miller In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:31:17 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) HPAT teaches 30 degree turns, no more, no less. They do not teach = steep turns in any class I've attended. They want you to get on the = runway, who cares if you slide off the end at 30k? That's the purpose = of the overhead 360 to prevent landing short of the threshold and most = likely landing slightly long. Paul Legacy On 2013-01-02, at 9:45 AM, Andres Katz wrote: > And I forgot that > Hipat training when an engine failure occurs is to get into position = alpha then beta and then overhead 360 with everything down flaps high = pitch prop, gear down and STEEP 90 degree turn to the numbers=20