X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.126] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 5991208 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:59:12 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.212.126; envelope-from=lancair1@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:58:36 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.232] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:58:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:58:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 210864.45550.bm@smtp111-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: YZVfF8kVM1lM72xYBxIwU82bMGmzUULb22D7d8VwLxcid6V 03KZ5Ic0BlNigRnP9eYpkwtsSPY1rsiGFKYGq4_ZeGmuNeK.8mdo5.OCSncM 8LLgOQA6fAh6Pvdu1eeq3cYIpwVTnSrIHz33BeYQ5u.jN0wXJTNYnbydWFCg kyreA_EdLQlim03V46yKxND9kFXkg7qPoLTY_OXmmUeeFQHo3kLsZpS1sslC oRb9CUdyfsQTiPNVlDwQhEtp6kSY3jH_751h6Y4Bn0REQIpYU7yxi0aHtBQM VxpduCNwotoTwjTH1LK45uS6dNaugtZazcNWLPsxSJrEJoTFfMKXCwaDng2P MWLV.kzCpUfU1LmXV2YPoIqe8cVi.7MATvHaUlLg7jy0jAbNsSmBtZ4WfOKS m8XYJPTmi8uAiTQ491BAYJCzwg7688n5WKEB5QErXPJg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: DusPlfGswBAl7wtqFzQUR2IcVv1i0z4gnKT0Em7VqxiCxIg- Received: from [192.168.254.3] (lancair1@72.16.7.152 with xymcookie) by smtp111-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jan 2013 05:58:36 -0800 PST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 3 killed in small plane crash in Southern California References: From: Douglas Johnson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E7C6E9F2-D2B8-4CC3-ACA8-B2C469D7F3E8 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A403) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <631BC002-5AEB-4F1C-86A5-8C7084ADEE11@bellsouth.net> X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:58:36 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-E7C6E9F2-D2B8-4CC3-ACA8-B2C469D7F3E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pic looked consistent with a flat spin impact, to me. Douglas Johnson MD Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:15 AM, "John Barrett" wrote: > Interesting crash site photos that don=E2=80=99t seem to correlate with re= ports of A/C in spin, stall or aerobatic attitudes. Looks like he pancaked i= n with a reasonable flat trajectory and photos don=E2=80=99t show evidence o= f significant pieces missing. Could he have gotten in a spin or stall and j= ust been pulling out when he impacted ground? > =20 > I know we shouldn=E2=80=99t speculate, but photos and eyewitness reports s= eem to have a disconnect. > =20 > John Barrett > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Guy= and Jill Foreman > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: 3 killed in small plane crash in Southern California > =20 > IV-PT That crashed was N5M. > =20 > Guy Foreman --Apple-Mail-E7C6E9F2-D2B8-4CC3-ACA8-B2C469D7F3E8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Pic looked consistent with a flat spin= impact, to me.

Douglas Johnson MD

Sent from my iPad

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:15 AM, "John Barrett" <jbarrett@carbinge.com> wrote:

Interesting crash site photos that don=E2= =80=99t seem to correlate with reports of A/C in spin, stall or aerobatic at= titudes. Looks like he pancaked in with a reasonable flat trajectory a= nd photos don=E2=80=99t show evidence of significant pieces missing. C= ould he have gotten in a spin or stall and just been pulling out when he imp= acted ground?

I know we shouldn=E2=80=99t speculate, but photos and eyewitness re= ports seem to have a disconnect.

John Barrett

From: Lancair Mai= ling List [mailto:lml@lancaironline= .net] On Behalf Of Guy and Jill Foreman
Sent: Tuesday, J= anuary 01, 2013 6:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: 3 killed in small p= lane crash in Southern California

IV-P= T That crashed was N5M.

Guy Foreman

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