X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:42:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com ([67.222.55.9] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with SMTP id 5852648 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:46:24 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.222.55.9; envelope-from=danny@n107sd.com Received: (qmail 17820 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2012 17:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host295.hostmonster.com) (66.147.240.95) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2012 17:45:47 -0000 Received: from [71.178.196.38] (port=2292 helo=DannyLaptop) by host295.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TTypr-0001ek-0L for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:45:46 -0600 From: "Danny" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Performance Data Walter Engine X-Original-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:45:39 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <00b901cdb858$b6541910$22fc4b30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01CDB837.2F427910" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac24TNL2+U1lWGuIRdCENJhAtrZkyQAC9hmA Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3234:host295.hostmonster.com:wunderwe:n107sd.com} {sentby:smtp auth 71.178.196.38 authed with danny@n107sd.com} This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01CDB837.2F427910 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00BB_01CDB837.2F427910" ------=_NextPart_001_00BB_01CDB837.2F427910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said. =20 Danny LNC2-360 N 38=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=B0 30' 38.6" Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. =20 From: Frederick Moreno [mailto:frederickmoreno@bigpond.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:20 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Data Walter Engine =20 Lacking turbos and turbines, I just poke along at 8500 feet at 220 TAS (around 190 IAS) burning 13.5 gallons per hour and watch the terrain go = by. That's about 16.3 nautical miles per gallon. Slow, but reasonably economical even though I plow along through the thick air. Takes about = 5 minutes to get there from sea level, and then lean it out and trim.=20 =20 Going to thin air at FL 220 and burning 23-25 GPH to deliver 230 KTAS = with a turbine yields 9.6 nautical miles per gallon. =20 =20 Hardly sounds like efficiency to me. =20 =20 Turbines are to go high and fast and damn the expense. Always have = been. Always will be.=20 =20 =20 F=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -------Original Message------- =20 From: John Barrett =20 Date: 1/11/2012 9:58:12 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Data Walter Engine =20 Have I missed something? Have not flown my IVP at FL220 yet, but = economy cruise I've heard about could be about 28" MAP burning 16-18 GPH and = around 260 kts TAS. Are those numbers realistic? =20 John Barrett N31VP - waiting for BPE engine overhaul completion. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Dr. Weinsweig Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:50 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Data Walter Engine =20 After Ronald asked about pulling back the power on a propjet, I = experimented a bit. =20 On a recent flight at fl220, I pulled the power back to burn 23-25 gph = and maintained in the 160's kias and 230's ktas in my TKS equipped propjet. =20 Almost piston efficiency. Watta Plane!!!! =20 David Weinsweig N750DW Propjet =20 =20 >>> weinsweigd@tsnci.com 10/23/2012 4:59:28 PM >>> Hi Ronald, =20 Each propjet has somewhat different performance. Mine with tks deicing generally flies between 275-300 ktas in the flight levels. fuel burn is 29-39 gph depending on altitude and power settings. =20 as a baseline I just flew from key west nonstop to huntington, wv at fl210 due to strong headwinds and power pulled back some to conserve = fuel and range. I burned 29gph with a true of around 275 ktas in 3;42 nonstop burning through my wing fuel (112 gallons) but still having 34 gallons = in the belly tank when i landed. I've done this same flight previously in = 3:10 but the winds sucked on Sunday. I have found that the turbine engines = just burn fuel and 25 gph may be a little low to maintain any speed though I = do get that low on descents. They burn close to that at idle. =20 I'd be happy to discuss the good and bad of turbines and the conversion options/shops with you if you'd like as I have had both good and bad experiences. =20 David Weinsweig N750DW Propjet 304-633-5221 weinsweigd@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 >>> ronald@sdc.com 10/22/2012 10:13:17 AM >>> Hello guys =20 Today I flew in a Bonanza with an Allison 250 Turbine, and it was = awesome. I was very impressed by performance and the silence and no vibration. =20 So I got curious now about having a Walter Conversion done, but when I = was looking for performance data (cruise/fuel flow/ economic or power @ altitudes) I could not find anything on the web?! =20 For example I like flying @ 17500ft, just because I can listen to the = radio and do not have to chatter and can avoid bumps when I see one lol =20 So what does a walter engine burn at this altitude? Could it fly with = just 25gph and what would be its performance? Things like that... =20 So does anyone have this ? And is there anyone I could fly with (I pay = for fuel) who can show me this in his 4p? (I live in Central Florida, but I = have a 4p ;) =20 Thanks -- Ronald =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 =09 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00BB_01CDB837.2F427910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well = said.

 

Danny

=

LNC2-360<= /p>

N 38=B0 43' = 25.7"

W 77=B0 30' = 38.6"

Nothing is foolproof to a = sufficiently talented fool.

 

From: Frederick Moreno = [mailto:frederickmoreno@bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 = 12:20 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Performance = Data Walter Engine

 

<= /div>

Lacking turbos and turbines, I just poke along at 8500 feet at = 220 TAS (around 190 IAS) burning 13.5 gallons per hour and watch = the terrain go by.  That's about 16.3 nautical miles per = gallon.  Slow, but reasonably economical even though I plow = along through the thick air.  Takes about 5 minutes to get = there from sea level, and then lean it out and trim. =

 

Going to thin air at FL 220 and burning 23-25 GPH to deliver 230 = KTAS with a turbine yields 9.6 nautical miles per gallon.  =

 

Hardly sounds like efficiency to me.  =

 

Turbines are to go high and fast and damn the expense.  = Always have been.  Always will be. =

 

 

F 

 

 

 

 

-------Original = Message-------

 

Date: = 1/11/2012 9:58:12 PM

Subject:= = [LML] Re: Performance Data Walter = Engine

 

Have I missed something?  Have not flown my IVP at = FL220 yet, but economy

cruise I've heard about could be about 28" MAP burning = 16-18 GPH and around

260 = kts TAS.  Are those numbers = realistic?

 

John Barrett

N31VP  - waiting for BPE engine overhaul = completion.

 

-----Original = Message-----

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Dr.

Weinsweig

Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:50 = AM

Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Data Walter = Engine

 

After Ronald asked about pulling back the power on a propjet, I = experimented

a = bit.

 

On = a recent flight at fl220, I pulled the power back to burn 23-25 gph = and

maintained in the 160's kias and 230's ktas in my TKS equipped = propjet.

 

Almost piston efficiency.  Watta = Plane!!!!

 

David Weinsweig

N750DW Propjet

 

 

>>> weinsweigd@tsnci.com 10/23/2012 = 4:59:28 PM >>>

Hi = Ronald,

 

Each propjet has somewhat different performance.  Mine = with tks deicing

generally flies between 275-300 ktas in the flight = levels.  fuel burn = is

29-39 gph depending on altitude and power = settings.

 

as = a baseline I just flew from key west nonstop to huntington, wv = at

fl210 due to strong headwinds and power pulled back some to = conserve fuel

and = range. I burned 29gph with a true of around 275 ktas in 3;42 = nonstop

burning through my wing fuel (112 gallons) but still having 34 = gallons in

the = belly tank when i landed. I've done this same flight previously in = 3:10

but = the winds sucked on Sunday.  I have found that the turbine = engines just

burn fuel and 25 gph may be a little low to maintain any speed = though I do

get = that low on descents.  They burn close to that at = idle.

 

I'd = be happy to discuss the good and bad of turbines and the = conversion

options/shops with you if you'd like as I have had both good and = bad

experiences.

 

David Weinsweig

N750DW Propjet

304-633-5221

 

 

 

>>> ronald@sdc.com 10/22/2012 10:13:17 AM = >>>

Hello guys

 

Today I flew in a Bonanza with an Allison 250 Turbine, and it = was awesome. I

was = very impressed by performance and the silence and no = vibration.

 

So = I got curious now about having a Walter Conversion done, but when I = was

looking for performance data (cruise/fuel flow/ economic or = power @

altitudes) I could not find anything on the = web?!

 

For = example I like flying @ 17500ft, just because I can listen to the = radio

and = do not have to chatter and can avoid bumps when I see one = lol

 

So = what does a walter engine burn at this altitude? Could it fly with = just

25gph and what would be its = performance?

Things like that...

 

So = does anyone have this ?  And is there anyone I could fly with = (I pay for

fuel) who can show me this in his 4p? (I live in Central = Florida, but I have

a = 4p ;)

 

Thanks -- Ronald

 

--

For = archives and unsub

 

--

For = archives and unsub

 

--

 

 

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