X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.4.200] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with ESMTP id 5831194 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:26:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.206.4.200; envelope-from=Adam@ValidationPartners.com Received: from VpiWorkstation1 (ool-4351a46d.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.164.109]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MC3007EZEQPNQC0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:25:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:26:11 -0400 From: Adam Molny Subject: RE: [LML] Re: New Legacy Project -- oxygen [was speed brakes] In-reply-to: <9AB97C93-71FA-4E89-A0E0-C145EC4A5DA4@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: 'Colyn Case' X-Original-Cc: lml@lancaironline.net X-Original-Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SgNM7CI1R1Ixl1T9PFbTMg)" Thread-index: Ac2tN2AOd/7xDJAyRfe8Zks5IuIQFQAAv5DA References: <90803E15-8F5C-4885-9E58-98F41F9D74BC@earthlink.net> <92B7CFFED186475DA6BF36A6E2FA869A@VpiWorkstation1> <9AB97C93-71FA-4E89-A0E0-C145EC4A5DA4@earthlink.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_SgNM7CI1R1Ixl1T9PFbTMg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Colyn - It shouldn't cost that much for an O2 refill setup. My local supplier said they couldn't sell me a tank outright (something about NY State regulations). He suggested I find one on Ebay. So I found one for $50 that was left unclaimed at a construction work site. The welding supplier charged me a one-time fee of $24.50 to have it hydrostatically tested (since it was an unknown tank), and another $44.65 to exchange it for a full tank. Since I gave them a tank, there is no rental fee or deposit required (although they do own the tank in my hangar). Now I'll just exchange it as needed for a full one for $45. I didn't look into a two tank setup. We'll see how many fillups I get from the single big (249 cubic foot) tank. The big tank comes with just a shutoff valve. The only other required valves and gauges are on MH Oxygen's transfill adapter. -Adam Molny _____ From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:49 AM To: Adam Molny Subject: Re: [LML] Re: New Legacy Project -- oxygen [was speed brakes] seriously cheaper. I have a 1600 psi system in the cessna and am trying to get setup to deal with that. I'm told it's over $1000 to get two cylinders to rent plus the valves and meters. (not including the mh transfill thing) Is that right? Anyway, interesting looking at your ox setup. That's a nice place for the tank. I put one in the Lancair just for backup. Being pretty ultra conservative I - sized it for 3-4 people 35 minutes (my max glide time from fl280 to fl100). don't remember the math but I ended up with a KF-011 - constant flow to avoid failure modes of additional equipment - kept it in the cabin because I didn't want the valves on the other side of the pressure bulkhead - left the meter on the bottle to avoid possible leaks in the meter pressure line (meter appears between the shoulders of the two back seats) - put in the MH remote valve just because I can't reach that far. On Oct 18, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Adam Molny wrote: Hi Colyn - I bought the pricey TR-95b transfiller ($300) plus the TA-380s adapter ($95) from MH Oxygen and obtained a big cylinder to use as an exchange at my local welding supply. The full cylinder from the welding supply shop also only had about 2000psi. So I'm not getting full capacity out of my system, but it's still cheaper than filling up at an FBO ($70 at KGON). Adam Molny _____ From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:14 PM To: Adam Molny Subject: Re: [LML] Re: New Legacy Project -- oxygen [was speed brakes] Adam, Looks interesting. I'm wondering if you have figured out how to transfill that bottle yet? I have access to big cylinders but they have less than 2000 psi. Colyn On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Adam Molny wrote: Sorry all, here's the correct link to my oxygen system installation pics: https://picasaweb.google.com/102798913343718743387/OxygenSystem2011_03?authu ser=0 &feat=directlink -Adam Molny Legacy N181AM --Boundary_(ID_SgNM7CI1R1Ixl1T9PFbTMg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi Colyn –

 

It shouldn’t cost that much for an O2 refill setup. My local supplier said they couldn’t sell me a tank outright (something about NY State regulations). He suggested I find one on Ebay. So I found one for $50 that was left unclaimed at a construction work site. The welding supplier charged me a one-time fee of $24.50 to have it hydrostatically tested (since it was an unknown tank), and another $44.65 to exchange it for a full tank. Since I gave them a tank, there is no rental fee or deposit required (although they do own the tank in my hangar). Now I’ll just exchange it as needed for a full one for $45.

 

I didn’t look into a two tank setup. We’ll see how many fillups I get from the single big (249 cubic foot) tank. The big tank comes with just a shutoff valve. The only other required valves and gauges are on MH Oxygen’s transfill adapter.

 

-Adam Molny

From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:49 AM
To: Adam Molny
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: New Legacy Project -- oxygen [was speed brakes]

 

seriously cheaper.

 

I have a 1600 psi system in the cessna and am trying to get setup to deal with that.   I'm told it's over $1000 to get two cylinders to rent plus the valves and meters.  (not including the mh transfill thing)   Is that right?

 

Anyway, interesting looking at your ox setup.  That's a nice place for the tank.

I put one in the Lancair just for backup.  Being pretty ultra conservative I

- sized it for 3-4 people 35 minutes (my max glide time from fl280 to fl100).  don't remember the math but I ended up with a KF-011

- constant flow to avoid failure modes of additional equipment

- kept it in the cabin because I didn't want the valves on the other side of the pressure bulkhead

- left the meter on the bottle to avoid possible leaks in the meter pressure line (meter appears between the shoulders of the two back seats)

- put in the MH remote valve just because I can't reach that far.

 

On Oct 18, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Adam Molny wrote:



Hi Colyn –

 

I bought the pricey TR-95b transfiller ($300) plus the TA-380s adapter ($95) from MH Oxygen and obtained a big cylinder to use as an exchange at my local welding supply. The full cylinder from the welding supply shop also only had about 2000psi. So I’m not getting full capacity out of my system, but it’s still cheaper than filling up at an FBO ($70 at KGON).

 

Adam Molny

From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:14 PM
To: Adam Molny
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: New Legacy Project -- oxygen [was speed brakes]

 

Adam,

 

Looks interesting.  I'm wondering if you have figured out how to transfill that bottle yet? 

I have access to big cylinders but they have less than 2000 psi.

 

Colyn

 

On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Adam Molny wrote:




Sorry all, here’s the correct link to my oxygen system installation pics:

https://picasaweb.google.com/102798913343718743387/OxygenSystem2011_03?authuser=0&feat=directlink

 

-Adam Molny

Legacy N181AM

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