X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:44:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5685244 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:18:18 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sVwWQ8hsrvuDD8P3QNUD6CXr8CUMySQQXz04EzJwtmt3LBguaazhDdNdnunnP4XW; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.223.93.35] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Sw2xs-0002lZ-Fw for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:17:44 -0400 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-93-325243814 Subject: Re: [LML] paint a practical point of view X-Original-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:17:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <6FEDD01C-5AE3-470A-909B-2D5990379996@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9404f1aa0aa9560ffeac8ad3ceac7c7f109350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.223.93.35 --Apple-Mail-93-325243814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Tom, suggest you contact Brad Simmons who is on top of latest PPG products = including the anti-static. brad@airframesinc.com I used their anti-static on the glass parts of my plane only. On a IV-P = that's the wingtips, antenna area, and parts of the tail. My purpose was to get the static to migrate to the wick. Thorough = bonding of the control surfaces is necessary to get that to work. Colyn On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:52 PM, = wrote: Tom, =20 I want to put one more thought in your head to make your decision even = more difficult (and others probably don=92t agree with this): =20 I painted my 4P with automotive base coat/clear coat metallic artic = silver (same as my beloved old Porsche 911). I then used laser cut two = color vinyl stickers for the N number (you can get all the designs and = colors you can imagine there). I got chills (and still do) when I look = down these bold and sexy curves of this airplane and no color change = interrupts this beautiful design. With clear coat you can get that = mirror shine image and I was so proud that I can lay a flash light on my = wing tip and the reflection that I see down the wing is almost a = straight line with almost no zic zac in it. =20 After almost 200 hours of flying I learned: - If you really use your plane there will most likely be some = damage to your paint. Some primer/filler might shrink (quick temperature = changes because you are coming down 25000 ft in 15 min), you might get = some small stress cracks because you are pulling several g=92s (you = might find it is so much fun flying down the run way with 240 kts and = pulling it straight up or rolling your plane up =96side-down), you might = get some IFR damage around your cowl from going in the rain, your door = might slam down on you, your wife or friend might drop something on the = wing while getting in (oops)=85. I think you are getting the picture=85 - Most likely you will need to do some repair on your paint at = some point of time. If you use metallic paint u need a very gifted = painter to blend it in perfect (fortunately I have one and he doesn=92t = live far away). Base coat/clear coat is more hassle to fix. Paint = schemes ad more complexity to the repair - Vinyl does not come off if it is not used on the front part = of the cowl. I have not seen any static problems with it. When I did a = window repair I peeled half of the vinyl off we repaired the paint and I = ordered the same vinyl again (they are usually laser cut and they keep = the CNC programs on file) =96 around corners you might peel of the paint = when removing the vinyl and not being careful =20 =20 If I would do it again I would be really torn between an appealing sexy = metallic paint scheme and a one stage boring white with vinyl designs = that is simple to fix and easier to maintain flawless over a longer = period of time =20 If I overestimate the advantages of plane boring white (because I have = not experienced it in real life) please let me know=85 =20 Ralf =20 From: Tom Wallace [mailto:tlwcfii@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:03 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: ppg paint =20 I am trying to finalize my selection of paint systems and think I have = selected PPG as the vendor as they have been very helpful thus far. = However I am trying to decide if I use their Aerospace for General = Aviation products CA 8620 primer and CA 8000 or CA 8800 topcoat product. =20 I have seen a beautiful paint job on an ES using PPG automotive paint = system (K36 primer DBC basecoat with DCU 2002 clear coat). So if anyone = has experience with these paint systems your input would be greatly = appreciated. =20 Lastly, PPG makes an antistatic Coating 528x310 that is conductive that = they recommend over a composite surface first. If anyone could share = their thoughts on use of this over the entire surface or just in = selective areas it would also be appreciated. =20 =20 Blue Skies, Tom =20 --Apple-Mail-93-325243814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Tom,

suggest you contact Brad = Simmons who is on top of latest PPG products including the = anti-static.
=
I used their anti-static on the glass parts of my plane = only.  On a IV-P that's the wingtips, antenna area, and parts of = the tail.
My purpose was to get the static to migrate to the = wick.   Thorough bonding of the control surfaces is necessary to = get that to = work.

Colyn



Tom,
 
I want to put one more thought in your head to make your = decision even more difficult (and others probably don=92t agree with = this):
 
I painted my 4P with automotive base coat/clear coat = metallic artic silver (same as my beloved old Porsche 911). I then used = laser cut two color vinyl stickers for the N number (you can get all the = designs and colors you can imagine there). I got chills  (and still = do) when I look down these bold and sexy curves of this airplane and no = color change interrupts this beautiful design. With clear coat you can = get that mirror shine image and I was so proud that I can lay a flash = light on my wing tip and the reflection that I see down the wing is = almost a straight line with almost no zic zac in = it.
 
After almost 200 hours of flying I = learned:
- If you really use your plane there = will most likely be some damage to your paint. Some primer/filler might = shrink (quick temperature changes because you are coming down 25000 ft = in 15 min), you might get some small stress cracks because you are = pulling several g=92s (you might find it is so much fun flying down the = run way with 240 kts and pulling it straight up or rolling your plane up = =96side-down), you might get some IFR damage around your cowl from going = in the rain, your door might slam down on you, your wife or friend might = drop something on the wing while getting in (oops)=85. I think you are = getting the picture=85
- Most likely you will need to do some = repair on your paint at some point of time. If you use metallic paint u = need a very  gifted painter to blend it in perfect (fortunately I = have one and he doesn=92t live far away). Base coat/clear coat is more = hassle to fix. Paint schemes ad more complexity to the = repair
- Vinyl does not come off if it is not = used on the front part of the cowl. I have not seen any static problems = with it. When I did a window repair I peeled half of the vinyl off we = repaired the paint and I ordered the same vinyl again (they are usually = laser cut and they keep the CNC programs on file) =96 around corners you = might peel of the paint when removing the vinyl and not being careful =  
 
If I would do it again I = would be really torn between  an appealing sexy metallic paint = scheme and a one stage boring white with vinyl designs that is simple to = fix and easier to maintain flawless over a longer period of = time
 
If I overestimate the advantages of plane boring white = (because I have not experienced it in real life) please let me = know=85
 
Ralf
 
 
I = am trying to finalize my selection of paint systems and think I have = selected PPG as the vendor as they have been very helpful thus = far.  However I am trying to decide if I use their Aerospace for = General Aviation products CA 8620 primer and CA 8000 or CA 8800 topcoat = product.
 
I = have seen a beautiful paint job on an ES using PPG automotive paint = system (K36 primer DBC basecoat with DCU 2002 clear coat).  So if = anyone has experience with these paint systems your input would be = greatly appreciated.
 
 
Blue = Skies,