X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 00:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.90] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTP id 5639984 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 00:27:05 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.90; envelope-from=frederickmoreno@bigpond.com Received: from BLU0-SMTP209 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:26:29 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [124.179.86.34] X-Originating-Email: [frederickmoreno@bigpond.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: frederickmoreno@bigpond.com Received: from Razzle ([124.179.86.34]) by BLU0-SMTP209.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:26:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:26:07 +0800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_JN1QSJ4712S000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (6295180) From: Frederick Moreno References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mail (lml@lancaironline.net)" Subject: Re: [LML] Sealer, Tank and top ready for bond X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2012 04:26:28.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[82FAAFB0:01CD5B2F] --------------Boundary-00=_JN1QSJ4712S000000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used the same stuff on my early Lancair IV. I think it was the recommen= ded PRC product. Probably top of the line, but I know that to do both wings took four of us in gas masks several hours, and painting the stuff on wit= h brushes was a real bitch. Patchwork w as required because after many minutes, sometimes a bubble would emerge, break, and leave a pin hole connecting with the honeycomb core, probably because the room got warmer = as the day went on. So a second pass was required to fill pin holes. What = a bitch. =0D =0D Still there was a leak in a hidden corner I had to track down. The stuff= is a nightmare to work with, and really hard to daub into the three wall corners without leaving a tiny gap in the corner which is where the leak = is most likely. If it did it again, I would not use a brush in the corners, but somehow pump it in and apply via a nozzle on the end of a flexible tu= be. Then I would start brushing out the excess pumped into the corner, and w= ork from there.=0D =0D I was asked by another builder which epoxy is the best to use in tanks. = I=20 don't know, but getting some sound data and as clear recommendation woul= d be valuable for the entire composite community. Forget PRC if there is = a known reliable epoxy, readily available, with a proven track record. Sur= e would be great if West Epoxy, dyed to permit visual inspection, did the j= ob. It is so widely used in boats that some research with the West folks mig= ht be worthwhile. =0D =0D Fred Moreno, still wincing at the thought of sealing another fuel tank.=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: George Shattuck=0D Date: 6/07/2012 3:45:27 AM=0D To: lml@lancaironline.net=0D Subject: [LML] Sealer, Tank and top ready for bond=0D =0D I have posted these previously but at least it is, again, what has worked for me. This sealer was very toxic, requiring a carbon breather mask whe= n applying it.=0D =0D George Shattuck=0D LNC2, 1994 to 2012, 1500 hr.+/-=0D =0D =0D Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mai= l security settings to determine how attachments are handled.=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_JN1QSJ4712S000000000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used the same stuff on my early Lancair IV. I think it was the rec= ommended PRC product.  Probably top of the line, but I know tha= t to do both wings took four of us in gas masks several hours, and p= ainting the stuff on with brushes was a real bitch.  Patchwork w as = required because after many minutes, sometimes a bubble would emerge, bre= ak, and  leave a pin hole connecting with the honeycomb core, probab= ly because the room got warmer as the day went on.  So a second pass= was required to fill pin holes.  What a bitch.
 
Still there was a leak in a hidden corner I had to track d= own.  The stuff is a nightmare to work with, and really hard to= daub into the three wall corners without leaving a tiny gap in the corne= r which is where the leak is most likely.  If it did it again, I wou= ld not use a brush in the corners, but somehow pump it in and apply via a= nozzle on the end of a flexible tube.  Then I would start brushing = out the excess pumped into the corner, and work from there.
 
I was asked by another builder which epoxy is the best to use in tan= ks.  I  don't know, but getting  some sound data and as cl= ear recommendation would be valuable for the entire composite community.&= nbsp;  Forget PRC if there is a known reliable epoxy, readily availa= ble, with a proven track record.  Sure would be great if West Epoxy,= dyed to permit visual inspection, did the job.  It is so widel= y used in boats that some research with the West folks might be worthwhil= e. 
 
Fred Moreno, still wincing at the thought of sealing another fuel ta= nk.
 
 
 
 
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Date: 6/07/2012 3:= 45:27 AM
Subject: [LML] Sea= ler, Tank and top ready for bond
 
I have posted these previously but at le= ast it is, again, what has worked for me.  This sealer was very toxi= c, requiring a carbon breather mask when applying it.
 
George Shattuck
LNC2, 1994 to 2012, 1500 hr.+/-


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