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Subject: Paine Field vs Boeing Re: Recommendations for airports and parking
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I recommend Paine Field. It's as close to U of Washington as Boeing Field. =
There's lots of new airliners to look at as well as the Everett factory whe=
re they are built.=A0Castle & Cooke was a nice FBO there=A0with rental car.
=A0
=A0I have had bad luck with Boeing Field on several visits. The tower=A0may=
 try to assign the short 13L=A0runway while you are on short=A0final. This =
induced a go around, in the 4P,=A0with high=A0terrain just to the left. On =
climb out I had to turn close to 13R for comfortable terrain clearance.
=A0=A0On another trip I had the strange and unique=A0experience of being cl=
eared into class B, but then "uncleared"(on left downwind for 13)=A0when I =
crossed an airspace boundary into class D, then immediately back into class=
 B. (This can happen laterally and vertically on left downwind!)=A0I had to=
 call approach later on the ground,=A0to hear that this had happened, but I=
 never could get the guy to explain how the pilot was to know the class B c=
learance was canceled by flightpath, without notice by radio.
=A0Many issues are induced by the simultaneous approaches by airliners into=
 SeaTac about 4-5 nm south. Its threading a needle between the rapidly risi=
ng terrain and the often low clouds of the marine layer. On westbound depar=
tures which are away from the higher terrain, tower may assign very low alt=
itude restrictions over the congested urban city=A0to help avoid setting of=
f the TCAS go around alarms on the ILS airliners into SeaTac. At least in t=
he 4P, this sets you up with no reasonable place to land and no altitude bu=
ffer in case of single engine failure on takeoff.
=A0If you decide to take this on, file IFR and shoot the approach to the lo=
ng runway. Study the terrain and nuances of the congested Class B airspace =
relative to the terrain. Avoid the pain-- go to Paine:)
Safe travels
Bill Miller
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<DIV>I recommend Paine Field. It's as close to U of Washington as Boeing Fi=
eld. There's lots of new airliners to look at as well as the Everett factor=
y where they are built.&nbsp;Castle &amp; Cooke was a nice FBO there&nbsp;w=
ith rental car.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;I have had bad luck with Boeing Field on several visits. The tow=
er&nbsp;may try to assign the short 13L&nbsp;runway while you are on short&=
nbsp;final. This induced a go around, in the 4P,&nbsp;with high&nbsp;terrai=
n just to the left. On climb out I had to turn close to 13R for comfortable=
 terrain clearance.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;On another trip I had the strange and unique&nbsp;experien=
ce of being cleared into class B, but then "uncleared"(on left downwind for=
 13)&nbsp;when I crossed an airspace boundary into class D, then immediatel=
y back into class B. (This can happen laterally and vertically on left down=
wind!)&nbsp;I had to call approach later on the ground,&nbsp;to hear that t=
his had happened, but I never could get the guy to explain how the pilot wa=
s to know the class B clearance was canceled by flightpath, without notice =
by radio.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;Many issues are induced by the simultaneous approaches by airlin=
ers into SeaTac about 4-5 nm south. Its threading a needle between the rapi=
dly rising terrain and the often low clouds of the marine layer. On westbou=
nd departures which are away from the higher terrain, tower may assign very=
 low altitude restrictions over the congested urban city&nbsp;to help avoid=
 setting off the TCAS go around alarms on the ILS airliners into SeaTac. At=
 least in the 4P, this sets you up with no reasonable place to land and no =
altitude buffer in case of single engine failure on takeoff.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;If you decide to take this on, file IFR and shoot the approach t=
o the long runway. Study the terrain and nuances of the congested Class B a=
irspace relative to the terrain. Avoid the pain-- go to Paine:)</DIV>
<DIV>Safe travels</DIV>
<DIV>Bill Miller</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></td></tr></table>
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