X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:28:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTPS id 5606641 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:22:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.52; envelope-from=billhogarty@gmail.com Received: by pbbro8 with SMTP id ro8so8516312pbb.25 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.167 with SMTP id qv7mr54758287pbc.127.1340050894660; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:21:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.2.14] (c-24-5-234-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.5.234.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rd7sm24987506pbc.70.2012.06.18.13.21.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed Brakes -- and the FAA References: From: Bill Hogarty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C5E8EED4-B673-45A3-82B0-E5074833AE19 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <8C31695E-88CA-4809-85B8-BEBC26F49FA3@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:21:27 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-C5E8EED4-B673-45A3-82B0-E5074833AE19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Amen to all the stuff John H mentioned. This is an item once used, you won'= t want to fly without. Bill H On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:49 PM, "John Hafen" wrote: > Gents: I can only speak for the IVP, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t be without th= em, for the following reasons: > =20 > 1) I may need them to make up for my lack of prior planning > 2) I may need them to make up for the FAA=E2=80=99s lack or prior plannin= g > 3) Gradual Engine cooling (using speed brakes rather than chopping the th= rottle) > 4) My Seattle Location > =20 > My landing patch is near sea level, inside a ring of mountains, including M= t. Rainer that 14,500 or so. Being able to make a fairly rapid descent at a= reasonable speed, especially in turbulent conditions is a must. > =20 > 5) Running the traffic pattern and accommodating smaller slower airplanes > =20 > You do what you have to do, in conjunction with tower directions, to stay s= afe =E2=80=93 which ranges from doing a 360 to give some room to slower traf= fic, to slowing rapidly/descending quickly gives you a lot of control / marg= in of safety that you flat would not have without speed brakes. > =20 > Just my 2 cents. > =20 > John Hafen > IVP 413AJ 400 hours > =20 > (un-paid endorsement: during a descent yesterday into the Seattle soup, I= experienced some relatively heavy =E2=80=9Clight=E2=80=9D rime icing. Pito= t heat on. Prop heat on. Glycol sprayed on the wind screen. RDD Thermix w= ing heat on =E2=80=93 ice pealing up like potato chips and blowing off. It r= eally works and I was glad to have it.) > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lan= cair > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 5:53 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed Brakes > =20 > Bill, > =20 > I like that label! However I put the microswitch a half inch above my thr= ottle so there is no room for that many words. (I would not put the switch o= n the stick because it is just not used enough.) > =20 > Robert > ES-P N301ES > =20 > =20 > From: Bill Harrelson [mailto:n5zq@verizon.net]=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:56 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: Re: [LML] Precise Flight Speed Brakes > =20 > Gordon, > =20 > If you add speed brakes, just be sure to label the switch correctly. It sh= ould be labeled the =E2=80=9Coh shit, I forgot to properly plan my descent, a= gain=E2=80=9D switch. > =20 > =20 > Bill Harrelson > N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs > N6ZQ IV under construction > http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/ > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Hello all. >=20 >=20 > What are your thoughts on adding speed brakes to a NA ES? Although I am st= ill flying in Phase 1, I can feel the extra difficulties in "coming down and= slowing down". The combination of a sleek airframe and no gear to throw dow= n adds noticeable speed to descents. >=20 > I did put the pockets and conduits in before closing the wings, so the ins= tall would be much easier. >=20 > I did pose this question to the ES group and got mixed reactions, although= most feel they are not necessary, and several do not use them even though t= hey are equipped with them. >=20 > Anyone have a set of brakes they want to part with if I move forward on th= is? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Gordon > ES >=20 > N144GP >=20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-C5E8EED4-B673-45A3-82B0-E5074833AE19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Amen to all the stuff John= H mentioned.  This is an item once used, you won't want to fly without= .

Bill H


On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:49 P= M, "John Hafen" <j.hafen@comcast.n= et> wrote:

Gents:  I can o= nly speak for the IVP, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t be without them, for the follo= wing reasons:

 

1)  I may need them t= o make up for my lack of prior planning

2)  I may need t= hem to make up for the FAA=E2=80=99s lack or prior planning

3= )  Gradual Engine cooling (using speed brakes rather than chopping the t= hrottle)

4)  My Seattle Location

&nb= sp;

My landing patch is near sea level, inside a ring of mountains= , including Mt. Rainer that 14,500 or so.  Being able to make a fairly r= apid descent at a reasonable speed, especially in turbulent conditions is a m= ust.

 

5) Running the traffic pattern and= accommodating smaller slower airplanes

 

You do what you have to do, in conjunction with tower directions, to stay s= afe =E2=80=93 which ranges from doing a 360 to give some room to slower traf= fic, to slowing rapidly/descending quickly gives you a lot of control / marg= in of safety that you flat would not have without speed brakes.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

John Hafen

IVP 413AJ 400 hours

 <= /o:p>

(un-paid endorsement:  during a descent yesterday into the Se= attle soup, I experienced some relatively heavy =E2=80=9Clight=E2=80=9D rime= icing.  Pitot heat on.  Prop heat on.  Glycol sprayed on the= wind screen.  RDD Thermix wing heat on =E2=80=93 ice pealing up like p= otato chips and blowing off.  It really works and I was glad to have it= .)

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto= :lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lancair
Sent: Friday, J= une 15, 2012 5:53 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed B= rakes

 

Bill,

 

I like that label!  However I p= ut the microswitch a half inch above my throttle so there is no room for tha= t many words.  (I would not put the switch on the stick because it is j= ust not used enough.)

 =

Robert

ES-P N= 301ES

   

 

From: Bill Harrelson [mailto:n5zq@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:56 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Precise= Flight Speed Brakes

 

Gordon,

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If you add speed brakes, just be= sure to label the switch correctly. It should be labeled the =E2=80=9Coh sh= it, I forgot to properly plan my descent, again=E2=80=9D switch. =

&n= bsp;

 

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Hello all.


What are your thoughts on adding speed brakes to a NA ES? A= lthough I am still flying in Phase 1, I can feel the extra difficulties in "= coming down and slowing down". The combination of a sleek airframe and no ge= ar to throw down adds noticeable speed to descents.

I did put the poc= kets and conduits in before closing the wings, so the install would be much e= asier.

I did pose this que= stion to the ES group and got mixed reactions, although most feel they are n= ot necessary, and several do not use them even though they are equipped with= them.

Anyone have a set of brakes they want to part with if I move f= orward on this?

Thanks

Gordon
ES

N144GP

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