X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5602018 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:41:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.96; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ngfr1j0010cQ2SLA9ggz23; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:40:59 +0000 Received: from Legent ([67.168.154.188]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Nggv1j00F449Jx78Wggyvm; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:40:59 +0000 From: "John Hafen" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed Brakes -- and the FAA X-Original-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 09:41:00 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <008f01cd4b15$a5a17230$f0e45690$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01CD4ADA.F9475520" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac1LEykyYArmgN23TduG6UzbiO8b8Q== Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01CD4ADA.F9475520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gents: I can only speak for the IVP, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t be without = them, for the following reasons: =20 1) I may need them to make up for my lack of prior planning 2) I may need them to make up for the FAA=E2=80=99s lack or prior = planning 3) Gradual Engine cooling (using speed brakes rather than chopping the = throttle) 4) My Seattle Location =20 My landing patch is near sea level, inside a ring of mountains, = including Mt. Rainer that 14,500 or so. Being able to make a fairly = rapid descent at a reasonable speed, especially in turbulent conditions = is a must. =20 5) Running the traffic pattern and accommodating smaller slower = airplanes=20 =20 You do what you have to do, in conjunction with tower directions, to = stay safe =E2=80=93 which ranges from doing a 360 to give some room to = slower traffic, to slowing rapidly/descending quickly gives you a lot of = control / margin of safety that you flat would not have without speed = brakes. =20 Just my 2 cents. =20 John Hafen IVP 413AJ 400 hours =20 (un-paid endorsement: during a descent yesterday into the Seattle soup, = I experienced some relatively heavy =E2=80=9Clight=E2=80=9D rime icing. = Pitot heat on. Prop heat on. Glycol sprayed on the wind screen. RDD = Thermix wing heat on =E2=80=93 ice pealing up like potato chips and = blowing off. It really works and I was glad to have it.) =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Lancair Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 5:53 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed Brakes =20 Bill, =20 I like that label! However I put the microswitch a half inch above my = throttle so there is no room for that many words. (I would not put the = switch on the stick because it is just not used enough.) =20 Robert ES-P N301ES =20 =20 From: Bill Harrelson [mailto:n5zq@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:56 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Precise Flight Speed Brakes =20 Gordon, =20 If you add speed brakes, just be sure to label the switch correctly. It = should be labeled the =E2=80=9Coh shit, I forgot to properly plan my = descent, again=E2=80=9D switch.=20 =20 =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Hello all. What are your thoughts on adding speed brakes to a NA ES? Although I am = still flying in Phase 1, I can feel the extra difficulties in "coming = down and slowing down". The combination of a sleek airframe and no gear = to throw down adds noticeable speed to descents. I did put the pockets and conduits in before closing the wings, so the = install would be much easier. I did pose this question to the ES group and got mixed reactions, = although most feel they are not necessary, and several do not use them = even though they are equipped with them. Anyone have a set of brakes they want to part with if I move forward on = this? Thanks Gordon ES N144GP =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01CD4ADA.F9475520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gents:=C2=A0 I can only speak = for the IVP, but I wouldn=E2=80=99t be without them, for the following = reasons:

 

1)=C2=A0 I may need them to = make up for my lack of prior planning

2)=C2=A0 I may need them to = make up for the FAA=E2=80=99s lack or prior = planning

3)=C2=A0 Gradual Engine cooling = (using speed brakes rather than chopping the = throttle)

4)=C2=A0 My Seattle = Location

 

My = landing patch is near sea level, inside a ring of mountains, including = Mt. Rainer that 14,500 or so.=C2=A0 Being able to make a fairly rapid = descent at a reasonable speed, especially in turbulent conditions is a = must.

 

5) = Running the traffic pattern and accommodating smaller slower airplanes =

 

You do = what you have to do, in conjunction with tower directions, to stay safe = =E2=80=93 which ranges from doing a 360 to give some room to slower = traffic, to slowing rapidly/descending quickly gives you a lot of = control / margin of safety that you flat would not have without speed = brakes.

 

Just my = 2 cents.

 

John = Hafen

IVP 413AJ 400 = hours

 

(un-paid endorsement:=C2=A0 = during a descent yesterday into the Seattle soup, I experienced some = relatively heavy =E2=80=9Clight=E2=80=9D rime icing.=C2=A0 Pitot heat = on.=C2=A0 Prop heat on.=C2=A0 Glycol sprayed on the wind screen.=C2=A0 = RDD Thermix wing heat on =E2=80=93 ice pealing up like potato chips and = blowing off.=C2=A0 It really works and I was glad to have = it.)

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Lancair
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 5:53 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed = Brakes

 

Bill,

 

I like that = label!  However I put the microswitch a half inch above my throttle = so there is no room for that many words.  (I would not put the = switch on the stick because it is just not used = enough.)

 

Robert

ES-P = N301ES

    =

 

From:= = Bill Harrelson [mailto:n5zq@verizon.net] =
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:56 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sub= ject: Re: [LML] Precise Flight Speed = Brakes

 

Gordon,

 

=

If you add speed brakes, just be sure = to label the switch correctly. It should be labeled the =E2=80=9Coh = shit, I forgot to properly plan my descent, again=E2=80=9D switch. =

 

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=

Bill = Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 2,050 = hrs

N6ZQ  IV under = construction

 

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=

Hello all.


What are your thoughts on adding speed = brakes to a NA ES? Although I am still flying in Phase 1, I can feel the = extra difficulties in "coming down and slowing down". The = combination of a sleek airframe and no gear to throw down adds = noticeable speed to descents.

I did put the pockets and conduits = in before closing the wings, so the install would be much = easier.

I did pose this question to the ES group and = got mixed reactions, although most feel they are not necessary, and = several do not use them even though they are equipped with = them.

Anyone have a set of brakes they want to part with if I = move forward on = this?

Thanks

Gordon
ES

N144GP

 

 

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