X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:06:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com ([209.85.220.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTPS id 5586794 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:48:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.180; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by vcbfk26 with SMTP id fk26so599803vcb.25 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.19.176 with SMTP id g16mr3638400vde.107.1339116468922; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [10.84.134.120] ([70.28.245.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm7027178vde.20.2012.06.07.17.47.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 4P rear window blew out References: From: Paul Miller Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9B7761C8-1838-4A22-A4FE-65AAA7A19DDA X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <70B3FD57-2D2C-4947-98C0-FBA44C05880F@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:47:39 -0600 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-9B7761C8-1838-4A22-A4FE-65AAA7A19DDA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Waiting for call #2 from the BMW owner who has Ralf's flight bag stuck in hi= s hood. serendipity indeed. Paul On 2012-06-07, at 18:26, Jeff Edwards wrote: > Serendipity happened. ;) >=20 > AvSafe=20 > Jeff Edwards > 314.308.6719 mobile > 636.532.5638 office > Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com >=20 > On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:59 PM, wrote: >=20 >> Unfortunately I do not have an EFIS. I still have the steam gages with a G= armin 530. I would assume the only information about this flight would be th= en on flightaware? >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Another miracle happened today: a lady from South Carolina called me and t= old me that she found my wallet in her back yard =E2=80=93 this really made m= y day J J J >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Ralf >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Jun 6, 2012, at 5:57 PM, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Ralf, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Download your flight data from your EFIS and see how well you reacted --i= e got plane pointed downhill, good rate of descent, etc. You might be surpri= sed. For those not in the best aerobic shape a sudden loss of cabin pressure= can be quickly debilitating at FL 200-280. Your time of useful consciousnes= s may be measured in seconds. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> One important lesson for all is where is your O2 mask and how quickly can= you get it on and start the flow of O2? When was the last time you practice= d this? Is your O2 bottle serviced? How many minutes supply do you have for y= ou and your passengers? This is not the first Lancair to experience a cabin= depressurization this year. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Jeff >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bronnenmeier >> To: lml >> Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 10:48 am >> Subject: [LML] Re: 4P rear window blew out >>=20 >> Dear subscribers, >> =20 >> Yesterday morning I had already unexpected visitors from the FAA. The >> two gentlemen took pictures of the plane and the missing window and >> inspected all my log books and my personal information. They told me >> that they have never seen anything like this before and told me that >> everything was ok before they left. I also filed a NASA report as Jeff >> recommended.=20 >> =20 >> Thanks also for all the kind comments that I got off the list. >> =20 >> My seat covers are still fine - fortunately I always have the urge to >> use the bathroom heavily before a longer flight - I guess this >> protected me this time :-). =20 >> =20 >> On my flight from 5G7 to ISM I noticed negative cabin altitude during >> climb (the differential pressure was still well below 5 psi) - my >> girlfriend's suitcase had blocked the outflow valve - I put a tennis >> shoe underneath and it fixed the problem. >> =20 >> On the way back from ISM to 5G7 clearance did not have my flight plan. I >> turned off the engine and filed again. I was a little worried about how >> the warm engine would start since it was almost 100F outside. Since I >> use the new hot start procedure that I got here from the list it always >> starts up right away (throttle, mixture pulled out - high boost 20 sec - >> switch to low boost - throttle 1/2 " in - start cranking - push mixture >> slowly in - it usually starts with the mixture half way in) >> =20 >> The first two hours into the flight were uneventful above the clouds >> with light turbulence and about a 40 kts head wind. My flight bag with >> the oxygen masks was in the back on top of all the luggage - big >> mistake! - I will always keep the masks in the front now. >> =20 >> Over sudden a big bang without any reason. Popping ears that hurt, loud >> wind noise and a girlfriend that seemed to squeeze off my arm. I look in >> the back - no flight bag. I pulled the throttle to idle, disconnected >> the auto pilot, moved the speed brakes out and point the nose down. I >> call ATC and tell them that I need to descent immediately because of >> loss of cabin pressure. I get clearance down to 11K. At 14 k or so I >> enter IMC. At 11k the engine does not take the throttle well - I am >> still IMC. I check and see that the mixture is still pulled. I put the >> MAP to 24 and fix the mixture, level the plane and engage the autopilot. >> On flight aware (40941) I see some significant altitude changes - I >> don't know if this was me trying to figure out things in IMC or if it >> just got reported wrong. >> =20 >> After the plane flies straight and level in auto pilot again I start >> looking around and find that the drivers rear window is missing >> completely. I disconnect the AP and start checking rudder and elevator - >> everything behaves as it should. I call ATC and tell them that I lost a >> window and that everything is under control. I get clearance to 9K. >> =20 >> At 9 K I start thinking about my options. I read on this list once that >> if you get hit or your plane is damaged that the safest speed is the >> speed that you are going right now. So I leave the MAP at 23, lean the >> engine and decide to continue my trip home to 5G7.=20 >> =20 >> I inventory the back - a few sweaters and my flight bag are missing. We >> put on some additional cloths (cabin temp is now below 50F with heat on >> full open). With the reduced speed it was a little more than two hours >> until me made it home.=20 >> =20 >> I can't tell you how relieved I was once I got 3 green from the landing >> gear. We touched down uneventful at 10:15 pm or so. >> =20 >> My wallet (ID, credit cards, SS card... pretty much everything) and my >> keys were in my flight bag. Fortunately we had the second shift working >> in the plant I got a key to the hangar and a service car. Unfortunately >> I am a German resident alien without ID documentation now. I need to get >> my green card replaced first. 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Waiting for call #2 from t= he BMW owner who has Ralf's flight bag stuck in his hood.  serendipity i= ndeed.

Paul

On 2012-06-07, at 18:26, Jeff Edwards <<= a href=3D"mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com">vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote:

=
Serendipity happened. ;= )

AvSafe 
Jeff Edwards
314.308.6719 mobile
636.532.5638 office

On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:59 PM, &= lt;bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.= COM> wrote:

U= nfortunately I do not have an EFIS. I still have the steam gages with a Garm= in 530. I would assume the only information about this flight would be then o= n flightaware?

 

Another miracle happened today: a lady from South Carolina called m= e and told me that she found my wallet in her back yard =E2=80=93 this reall= y made my day J J J

 

Ralf

 

On Jun= 6, 2012, at 5:57 PM, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote:

 

Ralf,

=

 

Download your flig= ht data from your EFIS and see how well you reacted --ie got plane pointed d= ownhill, good rate of descent, etc. You might be surprised. For those n= ot in the best aerobic shape a sudden loss of cabin pressure can be quickly d= ebilitating at FL 200-280. Your time of useful consciousness may be measured= in seconds.

 

One important lesson for all is where is your O2 mask= and how quickly can you get it on and start the flow of O2? When was the la= st time you practiced this? Is your O2 bottle serviced? How many minutes sup= ply do you have for you and your passengers?  This is not the first Lan= cair to experience a cabin depressurization this year.

 

Jeff

 = ;


 



=

= -----Original Message-----
From: bronnenmeier <bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM>
To: lml <lml@lancairon= line.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 10:48 am
Subject: [LML] Re: 4P= rear window blew out

Dear subscribers,
 <=
/tt>
Ye=
sterday morning I had already unexpected visitors from the FAA. The
two gentlemen took pictures of the plane and the missing window and<=
o:p>
inspected all my log books and my personal information. They t=
old me
that they have never seen anything like this before a=
nd told me that
=
everything was ok before they left. I also f=
iled a NASA report as Jeff
recommended. 
 
Thanks also for all the kind comments that I got off the=
 list.
 
My seat covers are still fine -=
 fortunately I always have the urge to
use the bathroom heav=
ily before a longer flight  - I guess this
= 
protected me=
 this time :-).  
 
On my flight f= rom 5G7 to ISM I noticed negative cabin altitude during
clim=
b (the differential pressure was still well below 5 psi) - my
girlfriend's suitcase had blocked the outflow valve - I put a tennis<=
/o:p>
shoe underneath and it fixed the problem.<=
/pre>
&n=
bsp;
On the way back from ISM to 5G7 clearance did not have my flig=
ht plan. I
<=
span style=3D"color:black">turned off the engine and filed again. I was a li=
ttle worried about how
the warm engine would start since it w=
as almost 100F outside. Since I
use the new hot start proced=
ure that I got here from the list it always
starts up right a=
way (throttle, mixture pulled out - high boost 20 sec -
swit=
ch to low boost - throttle 1/2 " in - start cranking - push mixture
slowly in - it usually starts with the mixture half way in)
 
<=
tt>The first two hours into the flight were unev=
entful above the clouds
with light turbulence and about a 40=
 kts head wind. My flight bag with
the oxygen masks was in t=
he back on top of all the luggage - big
mistake! - I will al=
ways keep the masks in the front now.
 
Over sudden a big bang without any reason. Popping ears that hurt, loud
wind noise and a girlfriend that seemed to squeeze off my arm. I=
 look in
the back - no flight bag. I pulled the throttle to i=
dle, disconnected
the auto pilot, moved the speed brakes out=
 and point the nose down. I
call ATC and tell them that I ne=
ed to descent immediately because of
loss of cabin pressure. I=
 get clearance down to 11K. At 14 k or so I
enter IMC. At 11= k the engine does not take the throttle well - I am
still IM=
C. I check and see that the mixture is still pulled. I put the
MAP to 24 and fix the mixture, level the plane and engage the autopilot.<=
o:p>
On flight aware (40941) I see some significant altitude change=
s - I
don't know if this was me trying to figure out things i=
n IMC or if it
<=
tt>just got reported wrong.
 
After the plane flies straight and level in auto pilot ag=
ain I start
=
looking around and find that the drivers rear wi=
ndow is missing
=
completely. I disconnect the AP and start ch=
ecking rudder and elevator -
everything behaves as it should=
. I call ATC and tell them that I lost a
window and that eve=
rything is under control. I get clearance to 9K.
 =

At 9 K I start thinking about my options. I read on this list on=
ce that
if you get hit or your plane is damaged that the saf=
est speed is the
speed that you are going right now. So I le=
ave the MAP at 23, lean the
engine and decide to continue my=
 trip home to 5G7. 
 
I inventory the ba=
ck - a few sweaters and my flight bag are missing. We=

put on=
 some additional cloths (cabin temp is now below 50F with heat on=

full open). With the reduced speed it was a little more than two hours=

until me made it home. 
 
I can't tell you how relieved I was once I got 3 green from the landing<=
o:p>
gear. We touched down uneventful at 10:15 pm or so.=

 
My wallet (ID, credit cards, SS card... pretty m=
uch everything) and my
keys were in my flight bag. Fortunate=
ly we had the second shift working
in the plant I got a key t=
o the hangar and a service car. Unfortunately
I am a German r=
esident alien without ID documentation now. I need to get<=
/tt>
my=
 green card replaced first. Until then I can't even buy beer at
Walmart because yo
=
= --Apple-Mail-9B7761C8-1838-4A22-A4FE-65AAA7A19DDA--