X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:14:58 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.4.198] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5534313 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:14:01 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.206.4.198; envelope-from=Adam@ValidationPartners.com Received: from VpiWorkstation1 (ool-4351a46d.dyn.optonline.net [67.81.164.109]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0M3X00J0G0YCOT30@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:14:52 -0400 From: Adam Molny Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Instrument Panel comments/advice requested In-reply-to: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net X-Original-Message-id: <3AC964FCEBF740C6B9FC868C540A0F07@VpiWorkstation1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5uDTGEJv0rbIuENIay89fw)" Thread-index: Ac0wSNiReJuQ8LMyRVSi+BTtWTrRYQABnoig References: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_5uDTGEJv0rbIuENIay89fw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi John - You make a good point. If losing you PFD means also losing your engine instruments then the plane is grounded until the failure is fixed. That would certainly be a major headache if it happens away from home. But an in-flight display failure wouldn't be an emergency as long as you have backup flight instruments. So we're really talking about safety vs. the ability to limp home on a partial panel. GRT does solve the problem nicely because you still need their EIS-4000 with two-line LCD display to supply data to the HX. The GRT folks told me you can mount the EIS remotely if you don't want it to take up panel space. I'm sure the group would be very interested to hear how you made it home with a failed Blue Mountain. Can you elaborate? Happy flying, Adam Molny _____ From: John Schroeder [mailto:jgschroeder2@windstream.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:32 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Instrument Panel comments/advice requested Adam - I disagree a lot with your recommendation. I had a Blue Mountain and it went TU on a long cross country! I wished very much to have had a separate engine/fuel monitoring system to get the bird home in VFR and with the backup flight instrumentation. Wrapping an autopilot, engine monitoring flight instruments and maps all into one box is a recipe for trouble. We even have a separate CHT/EGT monitor in our ES. We went with the HX, and it uses their separate 6000 engine/fuel system, displayed either on the HX screen or the separate monitor that comes with the system. Also, and I fly hard IFR from time to time, one needs a backup for flight instruments. My humble opinion. I would be happy to elaborate as to how I got the bird home with a dead Blue Mountain flight/engine system - if anyone wants to hear it. It depended on the way we designed the panel to spread out the risks. We fixed one of the problems with separate GRT engine and flight instrumentation systems. Cheers, John Schroeder LNCE with 400 logged hours in it. On Fri, 11 May 2012 10:16:11 -0400, Adam Molny wrote: < Engine instruments will be displayed on an E.I. MVP-50> Why the separate system? The Skyview can perform all your engine monitoring functions. It can also do fuel calculations based on your flight plan (i.e fuel remaining at destination). --Boundary_(ID_5uDTGEJv0rbIuENIay89fw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi John –

 

You make a good point. If losing you PFD means also losing your engine instruments then the plane is grounded until the failure is fixed. That would certainly be a major headache if it happens away from home. But an in-flight display failure wouldn’t be an emergency as long as you have backup flight instruments. So we’re really talking about safety vs. the ability to limp home on a partial panel. GRT does solve the problem nicely because you still need their EIS-4000 with two-line LCD display to supply data to the HX. The GRT folks told me you can mount the EIS remotely if you don’t want it to take up panel space.

 

I’m sure the group would be very interested to hear how you made it home with a failed Blue Mountain. Can you elaborate?

 

Happy flying,

Adam Molny

From: John Schroeder [mailto:jgschroeder2@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:32 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Instrument Panel comments/advice requested

 

Adam -

 

I disagree a lot with your recommendation. I had a Blue Mountain and it went TU on a long cross country! I wished very much to have had a separate engine/fuel monitoring system to get the bird home in VFR and with the backup flight instrumentation. Wrapping an autopilot, engine monitoring flight instruments and maps all into one box is a recipe for trouble. We even have a separate CHT/EGT monitor in our ES. We went with the HX, and it uses their separate 6000 engine/fuel system, displayed either on the HX screen or the separate monitor that comes with the system. Also, and I fly hard IFR from time to time, one needs a backup for flight instruments.

 

My humble opinion. I would be happy to elaborate as to how I got the bird home with a dead Blue Mountain flight/engine system - if anyone wants to hear it. It depended on the way we designed the panel to spread out the risks. We fixed one of the problems with separate GRT engine and flight instrumentation systems.

 

Cheers,

 

John Schroeder LNCE with 400 logged hours in it.

 

 

 

On Fri, 11 May 2012 10:16:11 -0400, Adam Molny <Adam@validationpartners.com> wrote:

 

< Engine instruments will be displayed on an E.I. MVP-50> Why the separate system? The Skyview can perform all your engine monitoring functions. It can also do fuel calculations based on your flight plan (i.e fuel remaining at destination).



 

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