X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([216.32.180.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTPS id 5532268 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:58:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.32.180.30; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from mail113-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.239) by VA3EHSOBE009.bigfish.com (10.7.40.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:57:52 +0000 Received: from mail113-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail113-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCFF180252 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:57:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.245.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: 1 X-BigFish: PS1(zzc85fh168aJ98dK26b7nzz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz31h2a8h668h839hd25h) Received-SPF: softfail (mail113-va3: transitioning domain of htii.com does not designate 157.56.245.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.5; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com; helo=CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail113-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail113-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1336712269336976_31046; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS026.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.246]) by mail113-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD31360045 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.5) by VA3EHSMHS026.bigfish.com (10.7.99.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:57:48 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.36]) by CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.152.38]) with mapi id 14.16.0152.000; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:57:47 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Instrument Panel comments/advice requested Thread-Topic: [LML] Instrument Panel comments/advice requested Thread-Index: AQHNLysyTEDIG8ZrAEq8t3OsdCoAd5bD+K5g X-Original-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 04:57:46 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD164B20A8@CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [72.66.86.7] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD164B20A8CH1PRD0710MB367_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Return-Path: rpastusek@htii.com X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com --_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD164B20A8CH1PRD0710MB367_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug wrote: Still a few months from first flight but I am finalizing my instrument pane= l requirements and desires. I have decided on a Dynon Skyview 10" system, r= emote mounted Dynon transponder with a Garmin Audio Panel and Garmin SL30 = Nav/comm. Also installing the Dynon Autopilot with roll and pitch servos. E= ngine instruments will be displayed on an E.I. MVP-50. .I plan to do some v= ery limited IFR flying. My questions for all those who have gone before me...... I need a second Co= mm. Dynon told me it will be available from them as a remote mounted radio = this year which saves valuable space on the Instrument panel. Do I need mor= e than that.....such as a Garmin GNS-430? What does a good minimum IFR capa= ble panel have installed?....... I want some sophistication, but do I reall= y need a Garmin GNS- 430 at about 10K or so installed? Maybe a panel mounte= d portable GPS like the Garmin 696 is all I really need. .......which, as I= said is mostly VFR with some occasional IFR down through the clouds. I am = concerned I will regret not going with the GNS-430 which ultimately means I= will likely install it anyway. So what have you all installed that you feel you don't need and what do you= regret NOT installing? Doug, You didn't specify what type Lancair...the IV/ES series have relatively lar= ge panels; the two-seaters less. I'll comment on some of the above systems = that I am familiar with, and let others comment on the overall instrumentat= ion requirement. I have a Dynon D-10A mini EFIS, with battery backup, installed in my IV-P. = In four years and 750+ flight hours, that unit has never failed to work as = intended. It's never displayed any incorrect data that I could see, even wh= en it was severely overheated and the display changed to black/white to ind= icate same. Not familiar with the newer Skyview system, but have heard equa= lly good things about it from local builders. I do have an E.I. MVP-50 engine monitoring system in my airplane. I've wire= d it to additionally monitor fire detection sensors in the engine compartme= nt, cabin pressure, hydraulic pressure and the cabin air conditioning syste= m. Did not hook up the flap and gear monitoring systems as I already had th= ese wired/planned before I decided on the MVP-50. One of the best pieces of= equipment in the airplane. You will appreciate it. I have an SL-30 and an SL-40 radio wired through a PS Engineering PMA8000B = audio panel. These also work like a champ. The SL-40 is my backup radio; I = hooked it to the internal tail antenna and the SL-30 to a belly-mounted whi= p. I also wired the SL-30 to an independent HIS to give me a second IFR-leg= al instrument approach capability, although I usually fly WAAS-enabled GPS = approaches and monitor the ILS as a backup when it's available. The radios = have worked well. Last item: I have a Garmin 696 panel-mounted on the right side. It has XM w= eather and TIS traffic (from a Garmin GTX-330 transponder. This is a superb= aviation GPS, but not legal for IFR flight/approaches. As I have a "legal"= IFR GPS, I use this as a backup, but have gained great confidence in it ov= er the years. The weather display is priceless; to the extent that my Judy = won't go on a cross country without it after I told her we could just ask A= TC for weather along the way when it was down for repair. This didn't work = out too well (another story, but safe ending) and it's now one of her pre-f= light items. A truly excellent piece of equipment. My two cents. Bob --_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD164B20A8CH1PRD0710MB367_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Doug wrote:

 

Still a few months from first flight but I am finali= zing my instrument panel requirements and desires. I have decided on a Dyno= n Skyview 10" system, remote mounted  Dynon transponder with a Ga= rmin Audio Panel and Garmin SL30 Nav/comm. Also installing the Dynon Autopilot with roll and pitch servos. Engine instrume= nts will be displayed on an E.I. MVP-50. .I plan to do some very limited IF= R flying.

My questions for all those who have gone before me...... I need a second Co= mm. Dynon told me it will be available from them as a remote mounted radio = this year which saves valuable space on the Instrument panel. Do I need mor= e than that.....such as a Garmin GNS-430? What does a good minimum IFR capable panel have installed?.......= I want some sophistication, but do I really need a Garmin GNS- 430 at abou= t 10K or so installed? Maybe a panel mounted portable GPS like the Garmin 6= 96 is all I really need. .......which, as I said is mostly VFR with some occasional IFR down through the clouds. = I am concerned I will regret not going with the GNS-430 which ultimately me= ans I will likely install it anyway.

So what have you all installed that you feel you don't need and what do you= regret NOT installing?

Doug,

You didn’t speci= fy what type Lancair…the IV/ES series have relatively large panels; t= he two-seaters less. I’ll comment on some of the above systems that I= am familiar with, and let others comment on the overall instrumentation requirement.  = ;

 

I have a Dynon D-10A mini EFIS, with battery backup= , installed in my IV-P. In four years and 750+ flight hours, that unit has never failed to work as intended. It’s never displayed any = incorrect data that I could see, even when it was severely overheated and t= he display changed to black/white to indicate same. Not familiar with the n= ewer Skyview system, but have heard equally good t= hings about it from local builders.


I do have an E.I. MVP-50 engine monitoring system in my airplane. I’v= e wired it to additionally monitor fire detection sensors in the engine com= partment, cabin pressure, hydraulic pressure and the cabin air conditioning= system. Did not hook up the flap and gear monitoring systems as I already had these wired/planned before I deci= ded on the MVP-50. One of the best pieces of equipment in the airplane. You= will appreciate it.

 

I have an SL-30 and an SL-40 radio wired through a = PS Engineering PMA8000B audio panel. These also work like a champ. The SL-40 is my backup radio; I hooked it to the internal tail antenna and= the SL-30 to a belly-mounted whip. I also wired the SL-30 to an independen= t HIS to give me a second IFR-legal instrument approach capability, althoug= h I usually fly WAAS-enabled GPS approaches and monitor the ILS as a backup when it’s available. The = radios have worked well.

 

Last item: I have a Garmin 696 panel-mounted on the= right side. It has XM weather and TIS traffic (from a Garmin GTX-330 transponder. This is a superb aviation GPS, but not legal for IFR flight/a= pproaches. As I have a “legal” IFR GPS, I use this as a backup,= but have gained great confidence in it over the years. The weather display= is priceless; to the extent that my Judy won’t go on a cross country without it after I told her we could just ask ATC fo= r weather along the way when it was down for repair. This didn’t work= out too well (another story, but safe ending) and it’s now one of he= r pre-flight items.  A truly excellent piece of equipment.

 

My two cents.


Bob

 

 

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