X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 07:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.17] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5523299 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 04 May 2012 16:37:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.17; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5waW1j00L0lTkoCAAwcuLm; Fri, 04 May 2012 20:36:54 +0000 Received: from Legent ([76.104.242.96]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5wcp1j00f25W5K88Qwctmt; Fri, 04 May 2012 20:36:54 +0000 From: "John Hafen" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:36:53 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <005f01cd2a35$a448cc40$ecda64c0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01CD29FA.F7EEAF30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHsqQQ53XnO4qGYIF0WOZg+qVo5sJZ7GM2A Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CD29FA.F7EEAF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, perhaps because the Evo costs 3X what my IVP costs. Why don't you try a Citation, or a Gulfstream? John Hafen IVP 413AJ 400 Hours From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dr Andres Katz Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:13 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 why dont you try an evo i get 300+ to 310 at 28k usually run 28 gph and goes 1500 miles check flightaware for mine redmond dallas non stop with 15 kts tailwind landed with 40 gallons the final a/c after the guys at lancair diddled with it and placed an additional air cooler in front of the cowling works perfectly i even have a fresh air modulator now beats the hell of the eclipse and the new garmin a/p works as magic instead of the *%#* sorcerer _____ From: "cwfmd@yahoo.com" To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:25 AM Subject: [LML] Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 I tried flying without AC in the summer in Houston. You can dump the door seal and get some relief above say 6000 feet, but I wouldn't do it with passengers, ears etc. I also tried hot wx army vests with cooling. Weird feeling too cold over your chest and your head's too hot.... The desert cooler worked pretty good but iced up the windows... cool but IMC After about 3 years of this, we installed AC. We just made a deal on an early "vintage" Eclipse. We are using it in an Aero Engineering course at Rice U. RVSM pending and Engine AD restrict us to FL280 and I get 203 KEAS at 530 pph ~80gph IV-P 205 KIAS at FL240 and 75% 25 gph, So far Eclipse Air Conditioning is not very good- same problem as Lancair with heat loading of cabin with bleed air. We're considering a West coast trip next week from Houston via Colorado/Wyoming to COE, Idaho, then SEA, RDM Oregon, SJC/MRY CA, and back to TX. If you are headed along such a route and want to share a VLJ, collect some Performance data, and stick time, for some gas money, give me a holler. Bill Miller, USN-TPS IP CFI ATP IV-P 440 hrs, IV-p 55 hrs, EA50 20 hrs (+100hrs pre-Ch 11) ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CD29FA.F7EEAF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, perhaps because the Evo costs 3X what my IVP = costs.

Why don’t you try a Citation, or a = Gulfstream?

John Hafen

IVP 413AJ 400 Hours

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Dr Andres Katz
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:13 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats = EA50

why dont you try an = evo

i get 300+ to 310 at 28k usually run 28 gph = and goes 1500 miles

check flightaware for mine redmond dallas = non stop with 15 kts tailwind

landed = with 40 gallons

the final = a/c after the guys at lancair diddled with it and placed an additional = air cooler in front of the cowling works perfectly i even have a fresh = air modulator now

beats the hell of the eclipse and the new = garmin a/p works as magic instead of = the

*%#* = sorcerer

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F= rom: = "cwfmd@yahoo.com" = <cwfmd@yahoo.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net =
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:25 AM
Subject: [LML] = Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50

I tried flying = without AC in the summer in Houston. You can dump the door seal and get = some relief above say 6000 feet, but I wouldn't do it with passengers, = ears etc. I also tried hot wx army vests with cooling. Weird feeling too = cold over your chest and your head's too hot.... The desert cooler = worked pretty good but iced up the windows... cool but = IMC
After about 3 years of this, we installed AC.
We = just made a deal on an early "vintage" Eclipse. We are using = it in an Aero Engineering course at Rice U. RVSM pending and Engine AD = restrict us to FL280 and I get 203 KEAS at 530 pph ~80gph
IV-P 205 = KIAS at FL240 and 75% 25 gph, So far Eclipse Air Conditioning is not = very good- same problem as Lancair with heat loading of cabin with bleed = air.
We're considering a West coast trip next week from Houston = via Colorado/Wyoming to COE, Idaho, then SEA, RDM Oregon, SJC/MRY CA, = and back to TX. If you are headed along such a route and want to share a = VLJ, collect some Performance data, and stick time, for some gas money, = give me a holler.
Bill Miller,
USN-TPS IP CFI ATP
IV-P 440 = hrs, IV-p 55 hrs, EA50 20 hrs (+100hrs pre-Ch = 11)

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