X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 07:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm28-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.22] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with SMTP id 5524030 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 05 May 2012 10:23:24 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.22; envelope-from=cwfmd@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 14:22:49 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 14:22:49 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 14:22:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 14:22:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 918491.26985.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45413 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2012 14:22:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xEtSPu8NciuXPvsxI4vKj1SXe5UJzI/vUtAtEYTJSkT6dTUXhPRx8htKJZdtP2dRKbb5uSS2tF88USJ/xCiOenp8oiv1iik0WGVPg+D1hZDhByKGr59Zh7+ifMsUGcsBnLZDOllH1WoYKEc+BbY9NmVOGXrGK75xYFy9nRM5xzQ=; X-YMail-OSG: eFff0yoVM1nm7Yv_HNpKkRp7u_MQDr3H0ZuXe_drw9NrmZO K9D0cxG2zvOHBtPIP7rCKrJGJ5QofQTfLC8UssI7RXBbY5BZjZd93K9ciNMZ T7v1AIiJYYfb6tav76tAnRTvDxt1P6UFwBhw7SrD_FQKA4gyOLqekTBqVVIj AzT7nHbP3hfnYWrJ_eMToFV3omTJA_ekVlzpH6DdsrE4LQFWvmokPI66BAa2 71w8z52tGf1tCHIsCo3Fyw.4f5AZEA7BmLI0ZrpwChZesvqos2265GSOAhId Fcb6tt_7hGp1M73zeE9Z9pcItDLmsmSWQjDlLuyWZLwpdOSSby46fJiGjvFq 0cXQvFgI9zUn7lrQhRhLmRPeuhmj_TPLnHnUeMDrXCCGPkZ5sFI.Qn.Q.8E1 NvzDIKFj0x7PCRDydDeB0UL1Ysh8wpDVR8NYGCWy0tSFYs.MOJwYKv1Q.0D6 CWi4NMRw_RFuxcTt79C3Ta3jaM8Sf7PFg8QcrEuFWQ5ExsYJMlRQUq1AZZEs xfvh8vUTtQ8x1ny..u57DBqM- Received: from [199.30.160.189] by web184420.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 May 2012 07:22:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 X-Original-Message-ID: <1336227768.24991.YahooMailClassic@web184420.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 07:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: cwfmd@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2016155971-902745517-1336227768=:24991" ---2016155971-902745517-1336227768=:24991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 Good Question!-!=A0 Parts? =A0I guess we=A0already have that mission (fast ASEL) covered with piston I= V-P, but we have some multiengine missions in mind.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 .... " T= anker posit? " I already had a type rating in the Eclipse from 2006-08. I had trained with= the sellers' chief pilot and had gotten much of my Eclipse time thru deliv= eries with the broker on this deal, so I knew all the key players already.= =A0We essentially got the plane for the value of the two good engines (hmmm= mm -=A0what's the market saying about the airframe:). =A0We are speculating on what performance could be obtained by modifying th= e IV-P to use this engine (out of gas? 2hrs like EA50). You probably saw th= e concept single-engine Eclipse at OSH.=A0 The Eclipse has less wing loadin= g and much lower stall speed than the IV. =A0We are=A0also having fun thinking about what we could do with the many c= omponent parts which are redundantly included: dual AOA probes, 3rd pitot s= tatic, two ADCs. They all talk to a digital bus.=A0=A0=A0 ECBs too In our engineering course we are also experimenting with GNUradio or softwa= re radio. Here's the concept: You convert from radio waves to digital and b= ack on the front end. Now you do all signal processing in software. This on= e box mounted on an airplane with a single antenna can be a transponder, a = nav/com, ADSB transceiver, GPS,=A0XM WX,=A0WIFI , HDTV, FMstereo, TCAS, Mod= e S(1.09gHz), Mode C, radar(passive or SAR needs more/better ant) or what e= lse can you imagine? It can jump around the spectrum to find the clearest c= hannel or detect the info you need! =A0Each box provides redundancy and can switch functions or timeshare? This= was also part of the digital=A0rationalization to buy this digital airplan= e- even tho its the original config. Thanks for all the good discussion. We hope to leverage these technologies = to attract some of our own tribe back to Science, Math, And Engineering. I'= d just like to see more kin in the faces in the auditorium,=A0with no criti= que intended=A0of the hard charging foreign students. Bill=20 =A0 PS: My safety pitch=A0as=A0IP in the IV is maintain visual sep from any Tow= ering CU (ATC can't detect a 5 deg deviation, if more needed, ask for a dev= iation,. They always give it to you. Or maybe you didn't plan for that squa= ll line and its time to divert?=A0If he's having a bad day, or the usual ba= d attitude=A0of=A0LAX or ATL Center, request to descend to 17-5 and cancel = IFR. =A0=A0Stay high and fast in the pattern, delta (pattern)=A0as needed above = the ship(NAS) until the slow guy lands, and always always allow yourself 50= 0 to 1000 feet of good vis below the overcast. That's along the whole route= not just the beginning and end.=A0Having the synthetic vision helps to fin= d the long valley thanks to GRTavionics.... I am pretty sure this addresses= all the mishaps=A0record. Decent engineering and maint almost always throw= s all the "causals" into the pilot error column.=A0 Be cautious of the "Rig= ht Stuff" syndrome. If history holds up, we will learn:=A0It wasn't the hol= es, if the right structural analysis was done. Sadly, it's the same old thi= ng: spatial disorientation, Cumulonimbus, and high wing loading that nails = us in the IV, or A-4 or T-38. Condolences to family and friends. Best tribu= te is, be=A0safe out there, and fast, and keep a visual on the towers:) =A0 =A0 From:=20 "Dr Andres Katz" To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net why dont you try an evo i get 300+ to 310 at 28k usually run 28 gph and goes 1500 miles check flightaware for mine redmond dallas non stop with 15 kts tailwind landed with 40 gallons=20 the final a/c after the guys at lancair diddled with it and placed an addit= ional air cooler in front of the cowling works perfectly i even have a fres= h air modulator now beats the hell of the eclipse and the new garmin a/p works as magic instead= of the=20 *%#* sorcerer ---2016155971-902745517-1336227768=:24991 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Good Question!-!  Parts?
 I guess we already have that mis= sion (fast ASEL) covered with piston IV-P, but we have some multiengine mis= sions in mind.      .... " Tanker posit? "
I already had a type rating in the Eclipse = from 2006-08. I had trained with the sellers' chief pilot and had gotten mu= ch of my Eclipse time thru deliveries with the broker on this deal, so I kn= ew all the key players already. We essentially got the plane for the v= alue of the two good engines (hmmmmm - what's the market saying about = the airframe:).
 We are speculating on what performanc= e could be obtained by modifying the IV-P to use this engine (out of gas? 2= hrs like EA50). You probably saw the concept single-engine Eclipse at OSH.&= nbsp; The Eclipse has less wing loading and much lower stall speed than the= IV.
 We are also having fun thinking = about what we could do with the many component parts which are redundantly = included: dual AOA probes, 3rd pitot static, two ADCs. They all talk to a d= igital bus.    ECBs too
In our engineering course we are also exper= imenting with GNUradio or software radio. Here's the concept: You convert f= rom radio waves to digital and back on the front end. Now you do all signal= processing in software. This one box mounted on an airplane with a single = antenna can be a transponder, a nav/com, ADSB transceiver, GPS, XM WX,=  WIFI , HDTV, FMstereo, TCAS, Mode S(1.09gHz), Mode C, radar(passive o= r SAR needs more/better ant) or what else can you imagine? It can jump arou= nd the spectrum to find the clearest channel or detect the info you need!
 Each box provides redundancy and can = switch functions or timeshare? This was also part of the digital ratio= nalization to buy this digital airplane- even tho its the original config.<= /DIV>
Thanks for all the good discussion. We hope= to leverage these technologies to attract some of our own tribe back to Sc= ience, Math, And Engineering. I'd just like to see more kin in the faces in= the auditorium, with no critique intended of the hard charging f= oreign students.
Bill
 
PS: My safety pitch as IP in the = IV is maintain visual sep from any Towering CU (ATC can't detect a 5= deg deviation, if more needed, ask for a deviation,. They always give it t= o you. Or maybe you didn't plan for that squall line and its time to divert= ? If he's having a bad day, or the usual bad attitude of LAX= or ATL Center, request to descend to 17-5 and cancel IFR.
  Stay high and fast in the patte= rn, delta (pattern) as needed above the ship(NAS) until the slow guy l= ands, and always always allow yourself 500 to 1000 feet of good vis below t= he overcast. That's along the whole route not just the beginning and end.&n= bsp;Having the synthetic vision helps to find the long valley thanks to GRT= avionics.... I am pretty sure this addresses all the mishaps record. D= ecent engineering and maint almost always throws all the "causals" into the= pilot error column.  Be cautious of the "Right Stuff" syndrome. If hi= story holds up, we will learn: It wasn't the holes, if the right struc= tural analysis was done. Sadly, it's the same old thing: spatial disorienta= tion, Cumulonimbus, and high wing loading that nails us in the IV, or A-4 o= r T-38. Condolences to family and friends. Best tribute is, be safe ou= t there, and fast, and keep a visual on the towers:)
 
 
From:
"Dr Andres= Katz" <bu131@swbell.net>
To:
lml@lancaironline.net
why dont you try an evo
i get 300+ to 310 at 28k usually run 28 gph and goes 1500 miles<= /SPAN>
check flightaware for mine redmond dallas non stop with 15 kts t= ailwind
landed with 40 gallons
the final a/c after the guys at lancair diddled with it and plac= ed an additional air cooler in front of the cowling works perfectly i even = have a fresh air modulator now
beats the hell of the eclipse and the new garmin a/p works as ma= gic instead of the
*%#* sorcerer
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