X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 09:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [205.186.160.203] (HELO server.rmcginc.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTPS id 5520911 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 May 2012 09:37:15 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.186.160.203; envelope-from=r.rickard@rcginc-us.com Received: (qmail 30365 invoked from network); 3 May 2012 06:36:40 -0700 Received: from 24-107-105-58.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO ?192.168.1.22?) (24.107.105.58) by rmcomserver.com with SMTP; 3 May 2012 06:36:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Necessity of A/C in IV-P? References: From: Bob Rickard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0C5FFE3F-9E35-4F2B-AFF9-5EEB379CA8CB X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <1E47AE7B-43EF-4203-9D53-7CA3F3AB1E7B@rcginc-us.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:36:40 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-0C5FFE3F-9E35-4F2B-AFF9-5EEB379CA8CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dan I live in St. Louis MO and Phoenix AZ. I fly my IV-P literally across the e= ntire country often for business travel. I wouldn't even think of having a I= V-P without AC. I will go so far as to say its one of the most important th= ings in a P besides pressurization. If you ever plan to be south of the mid= dle of the country during any summer months, you will absolutely melt prior t= o getting to 180. No worse feeling than being soaking wet and then cold at l= evel off. Don't forget that it can help you in fall and spring as well! Ev= er had the windows fog up from the inside on a humid morning? A little AC c= lears that up without trying to get heating air going (which is almost impos= sible at idle....). In my opinion, AC is not an option, it's a necessity. = For the one guy who lives in Colorado and never goes south, God bless him, h= e can save the weight. But for the other 95%, just get it. And if you do, m= y experience also says don't mount the AC compressor on the back of the engi= ne (starter drive adapter oil leak problems are scary, it happened to me), k= eep it on the front of the motor. Good luck- Bob Rickard On May 2, 2012, at 11:05 AM, "Dan & Kari Olsen" wrote:= > LML Gang, > =20 > With all the discussion of structural integrity compromises of the IV-P fu= selage by cutting air conditioning holes, I have a question for you seasoned= IV-P drivers=E2=80=A6 How necessary is air conditioning in this aircraft? > =20 > I have been flying my 320 for almost 9 years now and certainly would love t= o have had it during ground operations on hot summer days with the green hou= se canopy. However, once moving and at altitude, there is no need. I reali= ze that the IV-P is going to have warmer air because of the pressurization b= ut it is also typically flying much higher (colder ambient) and it doesn=E2=80= =99t have the bubble canopy. > =20 > So, in normal cross country cruise operations above FL180, do any of you t= hat don=E2=80=99t have A/C *really* wish that you had it? > =20 > I=E2=80=99m early in the building of my IV-P and don=E2=80=99t want to put= it in for several reasons: > =C2=B7 Weight > =C2=B7 Potential structural issues > =C2=B7 Cost > =C2=B7 One more thing to break down the road > =20 > I live in Colorado and will be using this plane as a cross country travele= r with my wife, so comfort is certainly a factor but not at all costs. One t= hought is to get one of those cooler-with-ice-and-a-fan systems to toss in t= he back seat for those few days that are very hot. > =20 > I appreciate your input. > =20 > Dan Olsen > Fort Collins, CO > N320DK =E2=80=93 640hrs > IV-P =E2=80=93 10% done --Apple-Mail-0C5FFE3F-9E35-4F2B-AFF9-5EEB379CA8CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dan

I live in St. Louis MO and Phoenix AZ.  I fly my IV-P literally acro= ss the entire country often for business travel.  I wouldn't even think= of having a IV-P without AC.  I will go so far as to say its one of th= e most important things in a P besides pressurization.  If you ever pla= n to be south of the middle of the country during any summer months, you wil= l absolutely melt prior to getting to 180.  No worse feeling than being= soaking wet and then cold at level off.  Don't forget that it can help= you in fall and spring as well!  Ever had the windows fog up from the i= nside on a humid morning?  A little AC clears that up without trying to= get heating air going (which is almost impossible at idle....).  In my= opinion, AC is not an option, it's a necessity.  For the one guy who l= ives in Colorado and never goes south, God bless him, he can save the weight= .  But for the other 95%, just get it.  And if you do, my experien= ce also says don't mount the AC compressor on the back of the engine (starte= r drive adapter oil leak problems are scary, it happened to me), keep it on t= he front of the motor.    Good luck-

Bob R= ickard




On May 2, 2012, at 11:05 AM, "Da= n & Kari Olsen" <olsen25@comca= st.net> wrote:

LML Gang,

 

With all the discussion of structural integrity comp= romises of the IV-P fuselage by cutting air conditioning holes, I have a que= stion for you seasoned IV-P drivers=E2=80=A6  How necessary is air cond= itioning in this aircraft?

 <= /o:p>

I have been flying my 320 for almost 9 years= now and certainly would love to have had it during ground operations on hot= summer days with the green house canopy.  However, once moving and at a= ltitude, there is no need.  I realize that the IV-P is going to have wa= rmer air because of the pressurization but it is also typically flying much h= igher (colder ambient) and it doesn=E2=80=99t have the bubble canopy.

 

S= o, in normal cross country cruise operations above FL180, do any of you that= don=E2=80=99t have A/C *really* wish that you had it?

=

 

I=E2=80=99= m early in the building of my IV-P and don=E2=80=99t want to put it in for s= everal reasons:

=C2=B7      &n= bsp;  Weight

=C2=B7&nb= sp;        Potential structural issues

=C2=B7=    &nb= sp;     Cost

=C2=B7         <= /span>One more thing to break down the road

 

I live in Col= orado and will be using this plane as a cross country traveler with my wife,= so comfort is certainly a factor but not at all costs.  One thought is= to get one of those cooler-with-ice-and-a-fan systems to toss in the back s= eat for those few days that are very hot.

 

I appreciate your input.=

 

Dan Olsen

Fort Collins, CO<= /p>

N320DK =E2=80=93 640hrs

IV-P =E2=80=93 10% done

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