X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 09:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s34.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.109] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5518630 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 May 2012 02:58:22 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.109; envelope-from=frederickmoreno@bigpond.com Received: from BLU0-SMTP145 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 May 2012 23:57:46 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [124.180.143.67] X-Originating-Email: [frederickmoreno@bigpond.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: frederickmoreno@bigpond.com Received: from Razzle ([124.180.143.67]) by BLU0-SMTP145.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 May 2012 23:57:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 14:57:34 +0800 Content-Type: multipart/related; charset="US-ASCII"; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_YBVDQL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (6295180) From: Frederick Moreno References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mail (lml@lancaironline.net)" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Contactors vs Solid State Relays X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2012 06:57:44.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFFDB5E0:01CD2830] --------------Boundary-00=_YBVDQL80000000000000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_YBVDLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_YBVDLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Given your tender body and advanced age, I suggest something much less abusive. Much less. =0D =0D F=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Sky2high@aol.com=0D Date: 1/05/2012 9:58:07 PM=0D To: lml@lancaironline.net=0D Subject: [LML] Re: Contactors vs Solid State Relays=0D =0D F=0D =0D Hmmmm....... I was thinking of a rising frequency with a numbing shock at the finish --The best I can describe it is in audio terms (say it out lou= d, streching the B a bit) - Barak! Barak! .. Hopefully, once should be enoug= h although I am open to change. I only have switch the EI output from cyl1 upper plug for a short time....=0D =0D Grayhawk=0D =0D In a message dated 4/30/2012 10:56:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, frederickmoreno@bigpond.com writes:=0D Good catch! I have fuses in both the "starter engaged" and "HPU On" indicator lights for the very same reasons. =0D =0D What voltage and frequency do you plan to use on your gonad exciter in or= der to assure detection of the stall warning system alarm?=0D =0D F =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Sky2high@aol.com=0D Date: 30/04/2012 6:00:20 PM=0D To: lml@lancaironline.net=0D Subject: [LML] Re: Contactors vs Solid State Relays=0D =0D Fred,=0D =0D Thanks, as I always wait to see who picks up the other possible failure. = I did say '"indication" circuit' only since I wouldn't dare to presume to design such as we are all experimenters. For years I have been harping o= n the same problem with the 200/320/360/?? hydro pump power relay "indicati= on" terminal that is fed from the pump motor power contactor and that circuit= is "protected" by a 50 or 60 amp breaker whilst the wire to the panel indica= tor light might be a mere 22 gauge. See if that can carry 50 amps if it shor= ts (do not yell "FIRE!" in a crowded cockpit)..... The Legacy plans wisely c= all for a wee diode on each "I" to the "gear in transit" light to not only isolate each relay, but have it burn up before the fire starts elsewhere.= =0D =0D BTW, the "I" line from my pump is protected by an inline fuse (uh, 1 or 2 amps if I remember correctly) as is the "starter engaged" circuit.=0D =0D I love this stuff.............=0D =0D Grayhawk =0D =0D PS I am considering wiring all of my "idiot" alerts (including "angle, an= gle push") to a high voltage coil attached to my leg so it tingles. I am getting too used to red lights and female nagging...................... D= on t worry, there will be proper breaker limits.=0D =0D In a message dated 4/29/2012 12:19:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, frederickmoreno@bigpond.com writes:=0D =0D A most helpful idea is to have an "indication" circuit off the solenoid contacts to an indicator light on the panel. If the indicator light is = on after starting, turn off the master switch and the engine................= =2E.. =2E...=0D =0D That is a valuable idea to let you know the starter is still engaged when you let go of the switch. However, since that wire that sends the signa= l is probably 22 Ga (5 amps) and the starter cables are capable of handling hundreds of amps, best to put a little blade fuse assembly in the small signal line so that if it were to short..... Think heat, smoke, and wor= se. =0D =0D Fred=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_YBVDLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Given your tender body and advanced age, I suggest something much le= ss abusive.  Much less.
 
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Date: 1/05/2012 9:= 58:07 PM
Subject: [LML] Re:= Contactors vs Solid State Relays
 
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Hmmmm....... I was thinking of a rising frequency with a numbin= g shock at the finish --The best I can describe it is in audio = terms (say it out loud, streching the B a bit) - Barak! Barak! .. Ho= pefully, once should be enough although I am open to change. I only have = switch the EI output from cyl1 upper plug for a short time....
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 4/30/2012 10:56:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, fr= ederickmoreno@bigpond.com writes:
Good catch!  I have fuses in both the "starter engaged" and "HP= U On" indicator lights for the very same reasons.
 
What voltage and frequency do you plan to use on your gonad exciter = in order to assure detection of the stall warning system alarm?
 
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Date: 30/04/2012 6= :00:20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re:= Contactors vs Solid State Relays
 
Fred,
 
Thanks, as I always wait to see who picks up the other possible failure.  I did say '"indication" circui= t' only since I wouldn't dare to presume to design such as w= e are all experimenters.  For years I have been harping on the same = problem with the 200/320/360/?? hydro pump power relay "indication" termi= nal that is fed from the pump motor power contactor and that ci= rcuit is "protected" by a 50 or 60 amp breaker whilst the wire to th= e panel indicator light might be a mere 22 gauge.  See if that can c= arry 50 amps if it shorts (do not yell "FIRE!" in a crowded cockpit)= =2E.... The Legacy plans wisely call for a wee diode on each "I" to the "= gear in transit" light to not only isolate each relay, but have it burn u= p before the fire starts elsewhere.
 
BTW, the "I" line from my pump is protected by an inline f= use (uh, 1 or 2 amps if I remember correctly) as is the "starter engaged"= circuit.
 
I love this stuff.............
 
Grayhawk
 
PS I am considering wiring all of my "idiot" alerts (including "angl= e, angle, push") to a high voltage coil attached to my leg so it tingles.=   I am getting too used to red lights and female nagging.......= =2E.............. Don't worry, there will be proper breaker limits.
 
In a message dated 4/29/2012 12:19:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fr= ederickmoreno@bigpond.com writes:
 
 A most helpful ide= a is to have an "indication" circuit off the solenoid contacts to an indi= cator light on the panel.   If the indicator light is on after = starting, turn off the master switch and the engine......................= =2E.
 
That is a valuable idea to let you know the starter is still engaged= when you let go of the switch.  However, since that wire that&= nbsp; sends the signal is probably 22 Ga (5 amps) and the starter cables = are capable of handling hundreds of amps, best to put a little blade fuse= assembly in the small signal line so that if it were to short..... =   Think heat, smoke, and worse.
 
Fred
 
 
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